John, we'll have to wait and see, but I think it is utterly impossible to enforce that new rule. In effect, it would mean that EVERYBODY who wants to ship ANYTHING to the UK would have to apply for a VAT number. If that rule was enforced, it will be easier to ship to North Korea.
Helmut > Am 14.02.2021 um 00:27 schrieb Moviemem Original Movie Posters > <johnr...@moviemem.com>: > > That sums it up very well Helmut > I have had a few customers telling me that they have received their packages > (valued at over 135 pounds) and had no VAT or charges. I guess that won’t > last but they will be picking up a lot of extra revenue from larger > organizations like eBay so they will probably see It as a success. The risk > for smaller sellers is that packages will be returned to sender because they > have not followed the rules. > > Regards > > John > > John Reid > Moviemem Original Movie Posters > www.moviemem.com <http://www.moviemem.com/> > Like Us on Facebook > <https://www.facebook.com/moviememmovieposters/?hc_ref=SEARCH&fref=nf> > PO Box 92 > Elanora > Qld 4221 > Australia > Phone: 0414 720 369 > > From: Helmut Hamm [mailto:texasmu...@web.de] > Sent: 14 February, 2021 12:06 AM > To: Moviemem Original Movie Posters <johnr...@moviemem.com> > Cc: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > Subject: Re: [MOPO] UK VAT number > > It seem obvious that the pencil pushers have simply tried to copy the ebay > sales tax model and now try to apply it to anybody else. > > The €150 (GBP 135) cut-off value only applies when goods are shipped to > private sellers. Apparently the regulations make no difference if the sender > is a business or a private party. Which means, EVERYBODY who wants to ship > ANYTHING to the UK will have to apply for British VAT number. Since there is > no lower end cut-off, anybody trying to send a bar of chocolate to the UK > will now need a British VAT number. > > To make things worse: Resellers can be exempt from the Import VAT, but they > will need to apply for an EORI tax number in the sender's country. So if I > ship to to a business in the UK, the recipient will need to apply for a > German tax ID. > > Also, how should the VAT be calculated? Unlike the US, where sales tax is > added on top, EU prices must include applicable VAT. And what about sellers > who are on margin taxation and do not declare any separate VAT at all? > > Lastly, how do they expect to get paid? Cash in a registered letter, perhaps, > sent to 'HM the Queen, Buckingham Palace, London'? > > I honestly believe that the new requirements are absolutely impossible to > enforce on small businesses. I should take a while until the pencil pushers > realize this, so I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. > > IN PRACTICE, I currently treat my UK orders like any other export shipment: > For values under I €1000 I file a simplified customs declaration. You have > all seen these: 'poster print, value, signature, date'. So far, this seems to > be sufficient for the mail services. > > UPS, Fedex, DHL Express want to you write a Proforma Invoice, basically the > same thing, but on larger sheet of paper. You can also include a commercial > invoice instead. For values of €1000 and up in Germany ($2500 in the US) you > will need to file an export declaration. Unless you are a transport > specialist, it's almost impossible to fill this correctly. These requirement > have nothing to do with the Brexit, though. They apply to any export > shipment. > > So far, all shipments to the UK have gone through without problems. > > Very much UNLIKE my recent shipments to the US, though: Something is > SERIOUSLY wrong with USPS, US Customs, US Homeland Security, or whatever > other agency is meddling in the mail services these days. I have several > shipment that were send in November and early December to the US that still > have not cleared customs. I spoke to a colleague yesterday, and he told me > had one package that took 15 weeks to arrive. > > Cheers, > > Helmut > > www.filmposter.net <http://www.filmposter.net/> > > > Am 13.02.2021 um 03:04 schrieb Moviemem Original Movie Posters > <johnr...@moviemem.com <mailto:johnr...@moviemem.com>>: > > Hi Sam > I have been selling quite a lot to the UK through eBay over the last month. > eBay automatically adds the VAT to the total amount including postage to all > UK transactions (incidentally, many customers don’t realise that the VAT also > applies to postage). I have no idea how customs will differentiate between > eBay transactions and separate website transactions and how they will work > out whether the VAT has been paid or not. > > I would be interested to hear how Heritage and Emovieposter are dealing with > it. > > Regards > > John > > John Reid > Moviemem Original Movie Posters > www.moviemem.com <http://www.moviemem.com/> > Like Us on Facebook > <https://www.facebook.com/moviememmovieposters/?hc_ref=SEARCH&fref=nf> > PO Box 92 > Elanora > Qld 4221 > Australia > Phone: 0414 720 369 > > From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > <mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>] On Behalf Of Sam Sarowitz > Sent: 13 February, 2021 11:55 AM > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> > Subject: Re: [MOPO] UK VAT number > > We applied around 2 months ago & have not heard a word FYI. I’ve tried to > call which is useless. Seems like they created these new rules with no one to > deal with it & the ramifications. > > best, > sam > > posteritati.com <https://posteritati.com/> > 239 Centre St FL 4 | New York, NY 10013 | 212.226.2207 > Instagram <https://instagram.com/posteritati> | Twitter > <https://twitter.com/posteritati> | Facebook > <https://facebook.com/posteritati> | Pinterest > <https://pinterest.com/posteritati> > > > > On Feb 12, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Susan Heim <filmfantast...@msn.com > <mailto:filmfantast...@msn.com>> wrote: > > Count me in as well. I've researched it but it's all a bit confusing. > > Sue > Hollywood Poster Frames > (800) 463-2994 > > From: MoPo List <mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > <mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>> on behalf of Moviemem Original Movie > Posters <johnr...@moviemem.com <mailto:johnr...@moviemem.com>> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 10:15 PM > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> > <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>> > Subject: Re: [MOPO] UK VAT number > > Good question Stan > I would also be interested to hear how other sellers are dealing with the new > customs requirements throughout Europe as well as the UK. > > Regards > > John > > John Reid > Moviemem Original Movie Posters > www.moviemem.com > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moviemem.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cbc153a25a91d4ac4bfa908d8cfa3b2c1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637487649284054187%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Q4rNNVzbOj%2Bv4CeZNlfyofvtJGo56jWCnzRIk1KBxdw%3D&reserved=0> > Like Us on Facebook > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fmoviememmovieposters%2F%3Fhc_ref%3DSEARCH%26fref%3Dnf&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cbc153a25a91d4ac4bfa908d8cfa3b2c1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637487649284064177%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=S5xr8njCYCgX6Rc8kjz%2FsG%2BaDcV2lGLuQZhAlYAArQU%3D&reserved=0> > PO Box 92 > Elanora > Qld 4221 > Australia > Phone: 0414 720 369 > > From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > <mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>] On Behalf Of Posteritati > Sent: 13 February, 2021 3:22 AM > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> > Subject: [MOPO] UK VAT number > > Hi MOPO, > > Has anyone actually been able to get a UK VAT number in order to be able to > ship under 135 GBP orders to the UK? 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