They felt that they were losing massive amounts of money through sellers declaring low or no values. This scheme is designed to force sellers to declare the actual value. The problem with that is that customers will just stop buying from international sellers because of the VAT etc.
Regards John John Reid Moviemem Original Movie Posters www.moviemem.com<http://www.moviemem.com/> Like Us on Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/moviememmovieposters/?hc_ref=SEARCH&fref=nf> PO Box 92 Elanora Qld 4221 Australia Phone: 0414 720 369 From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Sam Sarowitz Sent: 17 February, 2021 3:12 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] UK VAT number The part I don’t understand is why tax the cheaper shipments & let the more expensive ones through? sam posteritati.com<https://posteritati.com> 239 Centre St FL 4 | New York, NY 10013 | 212.226.2207 Instagram<https://instagram.com/posteritati> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/posteritati> | Facebook<https://facebook.com/posteritati> | Pinterest<https://pinterest.com/posteritati> On Feb 14, 2021, at 7:16 AM, Helmut Hamm <texasmu...@web.de<mailto:texasmu...@web.de>> wrote: John, we'll have to wait and see, but I think it is utterly impossible to enforce that new rule. In effect, it would mean that EVERYBODY who wants to ship ANYTHING to the UK would have to apply for a VAT number. If that rule was enforced, it will be easier to ship to North Korea. Helmut Am 14.02.2021 um 00:27 schrieb Moviemem Original Movie Posters <johnr...@moviemem.com<mailto:johnr...@moviemem.com>>: That sums it up very well Helmut I have had a few customers telling me that they have received their packages (valued at over 135 pounds) and had no VAT or charges. I guess that won’t last but they will be picking up a lot of extra revenue from larger organizations like eBay so they will probably see It as a success. The risk for smaller sellers is that packages will be returned to sender because they have not followed the rules. Regards John John Reid Moviemem Original Movie Posters www.moviemem.com<http://www.moviemem.com/> Like Us on Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/moviememmovieposters/?hc_ref=SEARCH&fref=nf> PO Box 92 Elanora Qld 4221 Australia Phone: 0414 720 369 From: Helmut Hamm [mailto:texasmu...@web.de] Sent: 14 February, 2021 12:06 AM To: Moviemem Original Movie Posters <johnr...@moviemem.com<mailto:johnr...@moviemem.com>> Cc: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> Subject: Re: [MOPO] UK VAT number It seem obvious that the pencil pushers have simply tried to copy the ebay sales tax model and now try to apply it to anybody else. The €150 (GBP 135) cut-off value only applies when goods are shipped to private sellers. Apparently the regulations make no difference if the sender is a business or a private party. Which means, EVERYBODY who wants to ship ANYTHING to the UK will have to apply for British VAT number. Since there is no lower end cut-off, anybody trying to send a bar of chocolate to the UK will now need a British VAT number. To make things worse: Resellers can be exempt from the Import VAT, but they will need to apply for an EORI tax number in the sender's country. So if I ship to to a business in the UK, the recipient will need to apply for a German tax ID. Also, how should the VAT be calculated? Unlike the US, where sales tax is added on top, EU prices must include applicable VAT. And what about sellers who are on margin taxation and do not declare any separate VAT at all? Lastly, how do they expect to get paid? Cash in a registered letter, perhaps, sent to 'HM the Queen, Buckingham Palace, London'? I honestly believe that the new requirements are absolutely impossible to enforce on small businesses. I should take a while until the pencil pushers realize this, so I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. IN PRACTICE, I currently treat my UK orders like any other export shipment: For values under I €1000 I file a simplified customs declaration. You have all seen these: 'poster print, value, signature, date'. So far, this seems to be sufficient for the mail services. UPS, Fedex, DHL Express want to you write a Proforma Invoice, basically the same thing, but on larger sheet of paper. You can also include a commercial invoice instead. For values of €1000 and up in Germany ($2500 in the US) you will need to file an export declaration. Unless you are a transport specialist, it's almost impossible to fill this correctly. These requirement have nothing to do with the Brexit, though. They apply to any export shipment. So far, all shipments to the UK have gone through without problems. Very much UNLIKE my recent shipments to the US, though: Something is SERIOUSLY wrong with USPS, US Customs, US Homeland Security, or whatever other agency is meddling in the mail services these days. I have several shipment that were send in November and early December to the US that still have not cleared customs. I spoke to a colleague yesterday, and he told me had one package that took 15 weeks to arrive. Cheers, Helmut www.filmposter.net<http://www.filmposter.net/> Am 13.02.2021 um 03:04 schrieb Moviemem Original Movie Posters <johnr...@moviemem.com<mailto:johnr...@moviemem.com>>: Hi Sam I have been selling quite a lot to the UK through eBay over the last month. eBay automatically adds the VAT to the total amount including postage to all UK transactions (incidentally, many customers don’t realise that the VAT also applies to postage). I have no idea how customs will differentiate between eBay transactions and separate website transactions and how they will work out whether the VAT has been paid or not. I would be interested to hear how Heritage and Emovieposter are dealing with it. Regards John John Reid Moviemem Original Movie Posters www.moviemem.com<http://www.moviemem.com/> Like Us on Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/moviememmovieposters/?hc_ref=SEARCH&fref=nf> PO Box 92 Elanora Qld 4221 Australia Phone: 0414 720 369 From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Sam Sarowitz Sent: 13 February, 2021 11:55 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> Subject: Re: [MOPO] UK VAT number We applied around 2 months ago & have not heard a word FYI. I’ve tried to call which is useless. Seems like they created these new rules with no one to deal with it & the ramifications. best, sam posteritati.com<https://posteritati.com/> 239 Centre St FL 4 | New York, NY 10013 | 212.226.2207 Instagram<https://instagram.com/posteritati> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/posteritati> | Facebook<https://facebook.com/posteritati> | Pinterest<https://pinterest.com/posteritati> On Feb 12, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Susan Heim <filmfantast...@msn.com<mailto:filmfantast...@msn.com>> wrote: Count me in as well. I've researched it but it's all a bit confusing. Sue Hollywood Poster Frames (800) 463-2994 ________________________________ From: MoPo List <mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>> on behalf of Moviemem Original Movie Posters <johnr...@moviemem.com<mailto:johnr...@moviemem.com>> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 10:15 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] UK VAT number Good question Stan I would also be interested to hear how other sellers are dealing with the new customs requirements throughout Europe as well as the UK. 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