dmb said:
As odd or paradoxical as it may sound, pure experience not only logically
precedes subjects and objects, it also logically precedes logic. The
strangeness of this claim evaporates when you see that having an experience is
one thing but talking about it or reflecting on it is a different thing.
But this is not really related to the criticism I was offering either. Let me
know if you're interested in that
djh responds:
That’s right dmb. Quality precedes logic. This is the insight which Pirsig
provides.
Tuukka is pointing to what he sees as a logical contradiction between two
things but cannot see that it’s exactly this type of low quality contradiction
the MOQ avoids. It avoids it by placing Quality/experience at the center - not
truth.
"There is an evil tendency underlying all our technology - the tendency to do
what is reasonable even when it isn't any good.” - RMP.
Tuukka asked:
If logic is psychical how can pure experience logically precede subject and
object? After all, logic doesn't exist at the stage where
this precession should take place.
dmb says:
As odd or paradoxical as it may sound, pure experience not only logically
precedes subjects and objects, it also logically precedes logic. The
strangeness of this claim evaporates when you see that having an experience is
one thing but talking about it or reflecting on it is a different thing.
But this is not really related to the criticism I was offering either. Let me
know if you're interested in that
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