Wes, all, Right. The immortal lila is biological. Phaedrus recalls seeing Lila before only not Lila the single private person. What he remembers seeing is the lila who inhabits Lila for a while and then moves on. Biological cells are billions of years old while Lila has only been alive a short while. In comparison, yes, lila is immortal. I would hesitate to call that perfection, however, as you yourself say the eternal is continuously undergoing improvement. If lila is absolute perfection, then no improvement is possible.
And yes, I believe Robert Pirsig said that he was aware of the li-la in Hindu philosophy but that is not why he named the character Lila. Thank you. On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:45 PM, WES STEWART <wes...@shaw.ca> wrote: > Thanks for the response Dan; > > ...and yes the Boat, and the Plastic Baby was Inorganic, Lila the Biological, > Rigel- Social and Pirsig the Intellectual. > > We can never be entirely certain of anything, however Lila is a a well known > and important term in Hindu philosophy. Robert Pirsig attended Banaras Hindu > University in India, to study Eastern philosophy and culture. > > This is from Lila Chapter 1. > > "There is Lila, this single private person who slept beside him now, who was > born and now lived and tossed in her dreams and will soon enough die and then > there is someone else—call her lila—who is immortal, who inhabits Lila for a > while and then moves on. The sleeping Lila he had just met tonight. But the > waking Lila, who never sleeps, had been watching him and he had been watching > her for a long time. " > > My interpretation of that, and it could be wrong, quality was reality itself, > as he writes about his MOQ. It appears he also believes that the "quality > that is our reality is an entity because he feels it had been watching him, > and he had been watching her for a long time. > > Immortal is an absolute, it is not subjective, it is a term that is well > defined, however as human beings we are like how Plato describes. We are > chained in a cave, with a bit of light entering, we are facing the walls and > we see only shadows. > > The entity Lila that Pirsig had been watching for a long time, was > perfection. Lila the eternal, is a system that is undergoing continuous > improvement, in all four areas of MOQ. Same as Jiro but only in one area; > sushi.. > > > > From: "Dan Glover" <daneglo...@gmail.com> > To: "moq discuss" <moq_disc...@moqtalk.org> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 12:55:10 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality > > Wes, all, > > I believe when asked Robert Pirsig said how the name Lila came from > the distinct odor of the lilac bush and not from the Sanskrit word. I > am fairly certain the MOQ does not subscribe to any notion of absolute > reality (God, Creator) for that would connote an objective reality we > all agree upon, the antithesis of the notion of Quality. > > In ZMM, Pirsig writes: > > "Two weeks after the vacation was over, one evening after work, I > removed the carburetor to see what was wrong but still couldn’t find > anything. To clean off the grease before replacing it, I turned the > stopcock on the tank for a little gas. Nothing came out. The tank was > out of gas. I couldn’t believe it. I can still hardly believe it." > > So he did not tear the whole motorcycle apart. I wouldn't mind knowing > where you got the part about Chris saying so in front of an audience > if you could forward that. > > Now, so far as the character Lila goes, 'she' was Robert Pirsig. So > was Rigel. And Phaedrus. And the boat. The notion behind the > development of the characters in the novel Lila had to do with > explicating the four levels of the MOQ: the boat, inorganic, Lila, > biological, Rigel, social, Phaedrus, intellectual. > > That said, there is no divine absolute perfection in the MOQ. That > would presuppose the elimination of betterness. So to pursue such an > entity would appear to be only done in ignorance, which I am fairly > sure was not what Jiro or Pirsig were doing. > > Thanks. > -- http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
