To Rog the Capitalist Pig,
To me, this all boils down to whether quality is for the collective of mankind, or for
the chosen few. I did read the ZAM and Lila with the ethical idea of something like
"you should do what is best for the largest group of mankind" in my mind, and I can
not say I ever had any disagreement between my previous ideas and these two books. I
guess and hope that anybody correct me if needed, and I will in that case for the
first time disagree with MoQ.
I must have missed the anti-american posts, so you where probably defending more than
provoking. So instead of this rather interesting competition of provokative duelling,
I will only answer some of your questions.
I do not agree that the poorest in US or Europe is doing quite nicely, and I do think
that there is a need for big improvement on their quality of life. As long as
capitalism is regulated, the worst incidents may be avoided, but as US now is headed
by what looks like a Donald Duck caricature controlled by some of the largest
companies in the world, I think we will see a few more glimpse of the capitalism as it
will work when the few are getting control.
I'm from Stavanger, Norway, and I regard Norway, Sweeden, Germany and UK to be runned
by socialist ideas, or at least very much influenced by them. I would agree to your
term "mixed", but the Scandinavian countries are not leaning that much towards toward
free enterprise (unfortunately more and more, in my view).
Gerhard Ersdal
(Socialist fanatic between Americans mostly interested in their tummy button.)
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Emne: Re: SV: MD In Defense Of Socialism?
>To Gerhard, Platt and Countryforce
>From Rog The Capitalist Pig
>
>Gerhard:
>I do have a sincere hope that you are joking.
>
>PIG:
>I am of course having fun with you all in the nature of getting a dialogue
>going. The american stuff was a silly tongue-in cheek "my dad is bigger than
>your dad" response to anti-american stuff earlier.
>
>G:
>If not, I would start by asking why quality for the few is better than
>quality for the many, and how MoQ are supporting such an idea?
>
>PIG:
>Which few? The poorest in modern regulated free enterprise economies do
>quite nicely (if willing) and frequently work their way to the top. I have
>personally been a member of every economic class. It really is pretty easy to
>suceed here -- in all different types of ways.
>
>G:
>Since you are not talking about communism, but socialism as a whole, I would
>also add that you could need a minor update to what is going on outside USA
>with regards to politics.
>
>PIG:
>I am all ears (and snout)
>
>G:
>1 - Most socialist coutries is doing very well.
>
>PIG:
>Cool. Are they command economies or mixed? I consider most of Europe mixed
>with a strong leaning toward free enterprise. It does differ though.
>Correct me..all ears again.
>
>G:
> 2 - Sosio-biological bullshit. We would never where we are by doing
>everything as individuals.
>
>PIGGIE:
>I agree 100% That isn't my argument. My argument is for the interaction of
>people and alignment between individuals to others and to society as a whole.
>Sound better?
>
>G:
> 3 - Another missunderstanding - you either centrelixe the power to a few
>rich persons (capitalism) , or to a set of persons elected every 4 -7 th
>year. And I'm talking about real elections, not american elections.
>
>PIGLET (Son of Hamlet -- oops that would make me a Great Dane-- yuck yuck!!):
>See my response to David Evolve. You do not grasp the extent of
>decentralized power between diverse forces in modern economies.
>
>G:
> 4 - MoQ is to me a foundation for collective quality, and not for individual
>quality.
>
>PIG:
>Odd. Could you explain further?
>
>G:
> I would say that US is way, way below most others.
>
>PIG:
>Yeah, but my dad can still kick yer dad's ass! ( I really was just teasin')
>
>Where you from Gerhard?
>
>Talk to me, my new friend,
>
>Rog the Capitalist Pig (but willing to mend his evil ways)
>
>PS -- Thanks Platt. If you and Countryforce would cover my back I would
>appreciate it. We are surrounded!
>
>
>
>
>
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