Working with a highly respected expert in working with children who struggle to learn, I came away with a fundamental understanding that an intervention--be it behaviorial, instructional or otherwise, will often taken 6 months or more before any significant gain is observable. I would like to suggest that the danger in constant monitoring is that a program which may be successful will be prematurely abandoned. I suspect is more important to deeply understand reading process and theory, know each child deeply and proceed with care, lest we commit any child to an intervention that wastes time.
Lori Jackson M.Ed.Reading Specialist Broken Bow, NE EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:48:54 -0500 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] DIBELS > > But the point of progress monitoring is to change your instructional > strategies quickly if the trajectory line does not show growth to meet > the benchmark score. If you just complete the assessments and dont use > the informaton to monitor and adjust your instructional methods with > the child then there is no purpose in doing the assessments anyway. I > think that completing progress monitoring 1 X weekly is excessive, but > if you limit it to 4 X a year than you waste a lot of tme using > instructonal methods or materials that may not be working for the > child. This is true for whatever progress monitoring tools you choose > to use. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Diane Proctor <[email protected]> > To: 'Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group' > <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 11:44 pm > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] DIBELS > > I also agree. I have I MUST do progress monitoring sometimes 1x/wk. when > multiplied by It means less teaching for 13 students, 1x/week, and > research > has said that all the testing does not make the trajectory line > different > than if these same students were tested 4x/year. The dots on the > trajectory > line still connect in the same line segment! > > Diane > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of > kelley dean > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 8:52 PM > To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] DIBELS > > Ellen, I soooooooooo agree with you! Very well spoken. I wish I'd > written this because it is sooo true. It is frustrating for me and a > disservice to our students! > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> I have to respectfully disagree about the amount of time it takes as > I >> feel that varies by district... >> >> In my district K/1st have 29 kids (averages), 2/3 have 32 and 4/5 > have 35. >> We are not given subs, or any extra time for the assessments. > Although > many >> of the tests are "1 minute tests," by the time you read the > directions, > give >> multiple tests, deal with behavior issues in between, etc. it takes a > lot >> more time than that! Most teachers typically lose 1 week of > instruction 3 >> times a year, plus...we are supposed to progress monitor. On top of > that, >> we have to do at least 3 running records per year for each child > (this I >> believe actually helps me to drive my instruction so I don't mind). I > feel >> that I spend a good chunk of my life assessing. I am not saying thay >> assessment is bad, it's just that I feel that I need to teach too:) > Many > of >> the kids that are supposed to be progressed monitored, are actually > on/above >> grade level students according to running records, but below > according to >> DIBELS. >> >> Basically, I think that the time that it takes depends on your >> school/district. >> >> Respectfully, >> Ellen/1st & 2nd/Michigan >> E-Mail: [email protected] >> http://www.lc-ps.org/Schools/Graham/StaffWebPagesAF/ECloss/ Quoting > "Sue >> Van Ausdle" <[email protected]>: >> >>> >>> We also use DIBELS on the Palm Pilots. It is a quick screening > tool; it >> is >>> not a diagnostic test. It takes very little classroom time as they > are 1 >>> minute tests. With the Palms, you have an instant report to show the >> child >>> or the teacher, along with a progress graph showing all results. > There > is >> no >>> paperwork, nothing to copy or file. The students use the same copy > of > the >>> student materials and everything is recorded and timed on the Palm > Pilot. >> It >>> saves a great deal of teacher time. >>> >>> I believe it is based upon over 30 years of research and it has > been an >>> effective tool for our district in helping all of our teachers > target > our >>> struggling students. It has been an effective tool for us in > monitoring >>> progress and making sure we are reaching the needs of all our > students. >>> Parents also appreciate the reports and progress graphs. >>> >>> This screening tool gives us an idea as to which students might need >> further >>> diagnostic testing, helping us plan more effective instruction for > each >>> individual. It has worked well for us. >>> >>> -Sue Van Ausdle >>> Title I Director >>> Pomeroy School District >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mosaic mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >>> > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >>> >>> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mosaic mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >> >> > > > -- > Kelley Dean > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > _______________________________________________ Mosaic mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. 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