On 2004-03-04, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brendan Eich wrote: [snip] >> >> It allows us to give access only to a list of people. That's good >> enough to start with. Let's not get too fancy yet. > > The problem is that, if we want to get fancier, we have to write all the > code ourselves. Which means it'll probably never happen.
True, on the other hand, if it's decided to investigate and implement something else, the whole project will probably never happen. >> Right, but what's better? Are we really going to jump on the Subversion >> bandwagon and multiply risks we have to take on just to do DevMo, apart >> from the repository risks, by the risk of not-CVS and newer-than-CVS? > > "Mozilla must use the best open source solution to solve a > well-understood problem." - Brendan Eich, original Mozilla Roadmap. Rather taken out of context... he was talking about creating stuff, not actually using it. > I _particularly_ didn't mention Zope on purpose - in fact, I said "I > don't care which one it is", to prevent old Zope issues clouding the > picture. It's two years later, an eternity in Internet time. I'm sure > both Zope and it's many competitors have improved a lot since we last > looked. But again, if we decide to start looking, we'll be arguing about different systems (no doubt, clouded by much discussion of the Zope incident) for months. If there is actually someone with the time and competance given control and responsibility for pulling the whole thing together, and people writing the content, I would imagine the technical issues can probably be overcome... [snip] > The www.mozilla.org website is a navigational ball of mud, and we've > never got a serious body of contributors working on it. Compared to the > sites of many other projects, it sucks. We need to analyse why that is, > and avoid making the same mistakes again. I assert CVS is part of the > problem - we can argue that, fine, but even if everyone else disagrees > with me, we need to learn what our mistakes were to avoid repeating them. CVS is part of the problem, but I don't think it's the biggest part. Although I've only been around for a short part of the history of it, the problem seems to me to be that the website is managed by hundreds of different people, most of whom have long since gone away, and nobody has both the authority and the time to do anything about it. Each change has to be accompanied by attempts to track down people that don't communicate and/or don't exist, and usually a group debate on the merits of the changes are, who the audience is supposed to be, whose content is best, what the views of someone that isn't communicating might be, and the fact that the system doesn't work and wouldn't Zope have been good. We also seem to have a large number of people keen to contribute to meta discussion and technical tweaking, and a small number of people actually willing and able to write content. -- Michael _______________________________________________ mozilla-documentation mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozilla-documentation
