On Wednesday 04 March 2009 23:04:13 Bill Hart wrote:
> Yasm does seem to preserve what you code pretty well. I don't know of
> any weird optimisation it does.
>

Yes , so far it's been no worse than gas

> The other advantage is we ship a fixed version of yasm with MPIR and
> at least while we are doing that you can guarantee that you aren't
> going to hit some weird gas bugs that only occur on system X.
>
> The disadvantage is that not too many architectures are supported as
> of yet. Mainly x86 and perhaps PPC on its way.
>

yes , it's a bit limited

> Well, another really good thing about yasm is the developer has been
> very responsive and helpful.
>

There is quite a few tricks I would like assemblers to able to do , perhaps 
with some persuasion...

> Of course the qword stuff I grew up on. I have never coded in AT&T
> format. My first assembler (apart from the motorolla 6802 and chip 8
> one - they converted hexadecimal to binary :-) ) was MASM. Then I used
> A86, TASM and now YASM.
>

I started on Z80 , no assembler , then 6809 no assembler again , then 68008 
with an assembler . I knew the 6809 opcodes by heart , although I always got 
the jump displacements wrong and having a mul instruction was the bee's 
knee's .Then i didn't touch assembler again for about 20 years , except for a 
couple of boot-loader type things. I would hate to program on a 8bit cpus 
now , its bad enough on x86_64 :) 

> Bill.
>
> 2009/3/4  <ja...@njkfrudils.plus.com>:
> > On Wednesday 04 March 2009 20:52:20 Bill Hart wrote:
> >> Hi Brian,
> >>
> >> I will finish off the K8 code as is, and have already done the K10
> >> code. But if you could email the output of applying the new version to
> >> the Core 2 code, that would probably save me lots of time.
> >>
> >> Bill.
> >>
> >> 2009/3/4 Cactus <rieman...@googlemail.com>:
> >> > On Mar 4, 8:25 pm, Bill Hart <goodwillh...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Hmm, so far no alignment issues appear to have slowed things down. I
> >> >> didn't know about the alignb thing.
> >> >>
> >> >> What may be useful is a version of the converter in the x86_64
> >> >> directory which converts any .asm files to .as files in yasm format.
> >> >>
> >> >> The issues with the $ were in sqr_basecase in the amd64 dir. It ends
> >> >> up with:
> >> >>
> >> >>         jge     mulskiploop%1
> >> >>         mulloop %1
> >> >>         mulskiploop%1:
> >> >>
> >> >> at about line 277, which yasm doesn't like.
> >> >>
> >> >> If that first %1 is a macro parameter, I don't know what it is
> >> >> supposed to be. It doesn't occur inside a macro. The code works,
> >> >> assuming it is just part of the label, anyhow.
> >
> > It used to occur inside another macro , same for extra quotes around $ ,
> >
> >> >> Also in sqr_basecase you have examples of macros in lower case and
> >> >> the calls to the macros in upper case.
> >> >>
> >> >> As for mulq [rcx] that is always unambiguous. The q signifies a
> >> >> qword.
> >> >>
> >> >> Bill.
> >> >>
> >> >> 2009/3/4 Cactus <rieman...@googlemail.com>:
> >> >
> >> > - Show quoted text -
> >> >
> >> >> > On Mar 4, 7:12 pm, Bill Hart <goodwillh...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> This thread will be for notes on converting Jason's code to yasm
> >> >> >> format. It might help Jason to avoid a couple of minor things
> >> >> >> which cause crunching in the gears and may help Brian improve the
> >> >> >> python script.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> * Yasm doesn't like loop labels to be called loop: Anything else
> >> >> >> is fine, e.g. loop1:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have got used to making that change!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> * There is no prologue necessary for linux. The code can just end
> >> >> >> with ret
> >
> > I was never sure about prologue/epilogue and just copied the existing
> > files ,
> >
> >> >> >> * include(`../config.m4') becomes %include '../yasm_mac.inc'
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I can add this with an option for Linux/Windows (different include
> >> >> > files)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> * ASM_START is not required
> >
> > Again I was never sure what this was ment to do
> >
> >> >> > Agreed I left it there as I don't want to remove anything in case
> >> >> > it matters
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> *  win64_gcc_start mpn_blah can become GLOBAL_FUNC mpn_blah
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Again I can translate that differently for Linux and Windows
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> * It didn't know what to do with mulq [rcx], it needs mul qword
> >> >> >> [rcx]
> >
> > I can live with most masm'ism's , they are just alternatives for
> > something similar in gas , but the dword ptr stuff is just *$"%£&)
> > - Show quoted text -
> >
> >> >> > There are a few instructions like this but I felt it was safer to
> >> >> > leave them to fail so that they got looked at.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> * It choked on
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> jge mulskiploop$1
> >> >> >> MULLOOP($1)
> >> >> >> mulskiploop$1:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Perhaps don't use $ as part of a label name. It thinks it is a
> >> >> >> macro parameter, which it doesn't seem to be.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I thought that it was a macro parameter - one that Jason uses to
> >> >> > get a unique internal jump label in a multi-use macro.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I don't know why it converted MULLOOP($1) to MULLOOP$1 instead of
> >> >> >> MULLOOP 1
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Where did it do this Bill?  I couldn't get it to do it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Capitals also appear to screw up in the conversion. The macros get
> >> >> >> converted to lower case, but the calls stay upper case (or is it
> >> >> >> vice versa, I forget).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I couldn't get it to do this either :-(
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> More to come I am sure. I'm about half way.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Remember that there are problems with alignment padding in YASM.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The directive
> >> >> >
> >> >> >   align n
> >> >> >
> >> >> > should be replaced with
> >> >> >
> >> >> >   alignb  n, nop
> >> >> >
> >> >> >  Brian
> >> >> > - Show quoted text -
> >> >
> >> > Hi Bill
> >> >
> >> > I have a new version that does several of the things you want - is it
> >> > any use to you?
> >> >
> >> > The problem with the 'macros' in sqr_basecase is that they are hard to
> >> > distinguish from non macro symbols since there is no bracket around
> >> > the supposed parameter - how do I know that 'macro1' is 'macro 1' and
> >> > not the symbol 'macro1'?
> >> >
> >> > Translating macro(1) is easy but 'macro1' is a lot harder.  I took the
> >> > view that it was better not to translate something than to translate
> >> > it wrongly :-)
> >> >
> >> > I do have a crude symbol table so I might be able to distinguish these
> >> > as macro calls.
> >> >
> >> >   Brian
> >> > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > I suppose now that I not using GMP but MPIR , I should switch over to
> > yasm . I will admit I don't trust it, it's too new , there is enough
> > wierd shit going on with assembler code as it is. My other gripe is that
> > it works on windows , being an open source person , I don't like it :)
> >
> > Jason
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> 


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