Touch� and Ditto About IPX.. So what DO you think about Redhat? ;)
Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:56 AM To: MSWinNT Discussions Subject: RE: NT vs Netware Unfortunately Gordon, not any one person can really give valid "technical" opinions about a product. We can tell you how one stacks against the other as far as "features" go, but overall each network is its own entity. It's kinda like comparing Scrotum Goats (Lotus Notes)to Exchange, each has their highs and lows, one used to be on top of the world, but now MS has taken over again. I remember my days of learning Novell and being told why it was better. Being a rookie at the time, I went along with it. I soon learned that this just was not the case. Every product has its positives and negatives, it's up to us to exploit the positives and fix the negatives the best we can. Hell, I'd still like to know why it took Novell so long to get IP as their standard protocol. I can't tell you how much I hate IPX! Anyway, you didn't offend me, it is likely you never will. What happened here is like going to a Nix forum and asking about MS products. What do YOU think is going to happen? ;o) D -----Original Message----- From: Katz, Gordon J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:39 AM To: MSWinNT Discussions Subject: RE: NT vs Netware Don and Ed.. If all it takes to get a solid answer from you is to piss you off.. We could do that all day, It seems pretty easy.. J/k... I'm not here to piss and moan about one product or anther. Giving facts to support an opinion only seems the smart thing to do.. Sorry if I offended anybody on the list, but when I ( and most people I work with) look for an opinion from somebody And they respond "It is the greatest product in the world" or "the product sucks" the second question out of my mouth is "Why?" "Reliability does NOT come from the vendor and their software. " I agree with this to some respect so that is why I posted "If you already HAVE the Novell expertise already in house (which it sounds like he doesn't), then MOVING to Netware might be advisable" Anyway, To quote the person who originally posted the question, Sean, "Nicely said Gordon. Thank-you. He appreciates it. :)" Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:18 AM To: MSWinNT Discussions Subject: RE: NT vs Netware Thank you Ed!!! I was just working on my reply too... I have a great many opinions about Novell and I have just as many or more for Nix and MS. Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. I could rant on and on about how poorly Novell does this or that and I could rant about how poorly MS does this or that. The fact of the matter is this; I get paid to keep servers running, I get paid to build a reliable, scalable network, and I get paid to make thoughtful decisions on the future of a network. Now Gordon, you can rant on and on about reliability, stability and the File and Print services of Novell. I could easily rebut that with how reliable MS has been for me over the last few years. Reliability does NOT come from the vendor and their software. Reliability comes from the Engineer or Admin. A network is only as good as the people working on it. I haven't had a server under my control crash in 5 years, yet at my current place of employment (where we do have Novell servers running, not for long I might add), I have seen all of the Novell servers here (8 in all) crash at least 20 times due to one thing or another and I've only been here 3 months. That is an unacceptable amount of downtime and I don't see Novell functioning any better than NT or Nix. Even though I haven't worked on a Novell server in 4 years, I expect a great deal out of my network performance and I don't see it happening as long as I have Novell, NT and Solaris on my network. When I am done here I will have W2K AD and Solaris... That will be all, Novell will be a thing of the past as I have no need for it. It provides no functionality that I can't get anywhere else. There's your stupid ass opinion you so wanted from me Gordon. Are you happy now? Maybe if Novell hadn't dropped the ball they'd still be on top. Unfortunately, they did and within the next five years, they'll be lucky to be around. -----Original Message----- From: Ed Esgro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:04 AM To: MSWinNT Discussions Subject: RE: NT vs Netware I think it boils down to Gordon wanting to get into a technical knowledge pissing contest. If we begin to list the reasons why Novell quote "sucks" then we will just keep getting retorts in defense of Novell. I don't think any of us have time for that crap. Want an educated opinion? Try it and see what you think about it. (which he did). Opinions are not a resource for factual information. An educated opinion is a damn oxymoron. You can get opinions from educated and uneducated people. So what is the validity? If this person was asking for facts instead of opinions, then that is a different story. However if I were looking for facts I would be looking in the direction of an established author that has viable resources to backup his facts. Not an open discussion list. Sean asked for opinions. That is what he got. Are you (Gordon) here to educate everyone on the politically correct way to give an opinion? Or are you here to give your opinion on the subject at hand and not the response of others opinions? -----Original Message----- From: Shawn McKeon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 6:26 PM To: MSWinNT Discussions Subject: RE: NT vs Netware I think what it boils down to is this: Will Novell be here in 10 years? 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