> > Herbert Ackermans wrote: > > It is a sign of childish behaviour, that when you can not settle > > differences with a specific group, MRC in this case, you > start venting > > it on all other non-related forums, lists and newsgroups. > > I would agree with that I don't think this is the best way to > go. On the other hand, the MRC itself basically silenced him > so on the one place where this would be considered on-topic > is not an option. > > Besides, your initial reply wasn't very mature either.
Well, it's just that there's always so many individuals who cry bloody murder when they feel wronged, and start venting it at every medium they can. > > > > That is incredibly childish and immature. Even the way > Patriek seems > > to have to resort to threatening to quit, > > Oh? Where? His initial response: People like you make me want to stop doing so much for the community... > > > > Any mature and complete person would have said:"I'm the bigger man, > > and I will put this aside me." > > Alas, this is not true. May I remind you of the recent case > in Dutch politics, where Pronk called sending asile seekers > home 'deportation', and ministre Verdonk subsequently refused > to talk to him and his foundation until he resigned? As you > see, grown men, mature and complete persons (I hope, as one > of them is reigning our country and the other used to), yet > still engaging in a public mudfight about one word (which > wasn't at all that much off reality, people don't leave their > country and homes for the fun of it. But that's a different > topic :))... Hmmm, Politics do not immediately make one great. If there is any platform where people can act childish, it's Politics. > > Seriously, if you think this is truely the case, you must be > pretty blind to reality. This happens all the time, just read > the newspaper (and the tabloids :)), and disagreements > between groups have also always been part of MSX history. And > as I said before, not everyone employs the same amount of > tact. It is human nature. Live with it. Very true. > > > > Well, fine, but that's not going to solve the problem he > has with ONE > > specific group. > > I think you are probably right on that. That's why I > expressed some doubt. > > However, on the other hand posting about it in a public forum > also makes sense. If he alone says to the MRC that their > policy sucks, nothing will change. If there are other people > who agree with that however, they can make a 'front'. Maybe > the MRC will then see that it is not 'just' > Guyver. And seeing as that did not happen apparently on MRC justifies his actions on numerous other forums, list and NGs? Does it really? If you have a problem with your neighbour, how acceptible is it, to go around to other people in the street and start spilling your grieves there? Or if you start hanging up posters accusing your neighbours? People often take the stance that the internet is different than normal life. And looking to form a front... What is this? World War 3? > It is frustrating to see something which is not > right, and having to stand alone in making a case of it. Maybe you are wrong then? > I > experienced that myself a few years ago at my work (although > I did get my way in the end - somewhat :)). It was especially > annoying to see that others raised the > *exact* same objections a year later. 'Why didn't they say so > when it concerned *me*!', was my general line of thought. Oh it happens so often. Don't you think the way the government handles the economy is not the most ideal way to do it? Everyone will have the same view, and we express it as well. > > And as it is a matter which concerns the prime MSX forum and > news site's policy and application of censorship, I would > agree it is definately an issue that concerns 'the public'. Why not make a second site and forum as counterweight? That's a whole lot more effective then trying to split the community. Obviously, there are people who are more than happy with the MRC. Trying to split it, will result in fights and such. > > > > And if that group hurts him so bad, why continue going > there? Slight > > symptoms of masochistic tendencies? ;-) > > The MRC is the center of most MSX related news and discussion > nowadays. Bad thing. > Stop frequenting the MRC basically means isolating yourself > from the MSX community. So don't make such a thing sound like > a trivial decision. In essence, it is trivial. Is the MRC really the only place? Really? If so, you are all really hypocrits for now stepping forward and accusing them of dictatorial behaviour. You should have made sure that the power wasn't concentrated that way. Which is how monopolistic, dictatorial issues rise. People will support that one site, contribute, and all of a sudden, it's the monster from hell. Again, bleeting like a wounded lamb isn't the way to go. Being the better man, and making your case in another way, for instance, a new group, makes a lot more sense. Since Patriek has enough to go by, I wouldn't be surprised if he would get lots of support and help when he would go and establish a new community. And let the people decide where they feel most comfortable. If they flock en-masse to another community, he's got a good point. If they stick to the MRC, he's Don Quichotte. And that too isn't a guaranteed recipe for success. If not handled well, you could easily fall into the same trap and become elitist as well. It is one of the key failures of the Internet, the complete and utter lack of normal, accepted behaviour, due to the incongnito way of communication. Patriek's actions will not give him the support he seeks, nor the result. It will only lead to division and seperation. IS that his goal? I think not. If on the other hand he is only interested in his own self-esteem and his own self-image, than boohoo, but grow up. If he truly wants to make a change, than make it, don't talk about it, make it. _______________________________________________ MSX mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Info page: http://lists.stack.nl/mailman/listinfo/msx
