2010/4/4 Lukáš Lalinský <lalin...@gmail.com> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria <davito...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Think of works outside of the classical genre, think of them as > >> "songs". Songs usually do have an artist associated with them. For > >> example, most Beatles songs were composed by Lennon/McCartney, but not > >> all of them. Would you not find it useful to see a list of all Beatles > >> works, including cover versions of other songs they made? You can > >> argue that you can take the band member's ARs and show those works. > >> It's not that uncommon that totally unrelated artist compose songs for > >> performers (most pop songs), yet you would like to see the songs also > >> under the performers. > > > > Interesting. But will the Artist field for these songs contain > > Lennon/McCartney or the Beatles. In the first case, I don't see any > > difference with the purely AR system. We'll probably have to resort to > some > > sort of equivalence list. If it is the Beatles, then there is something I > > don't understand here. > > It would the Beatles. The way I see it is that the artist field is > something that along with the title identifies the work. Even for > classical works you have to say Beethoven's Symphony No. 7, because > there are many Symphonies No. 7. Most of the time when somebody refers > to a popular song, they refer to "X by Y", not just "X". I believe > it's important to not loose that information. > > That info isn't lost; it's in the recording and performance ARs, where it belongs.
You've left out the important 'action word' in that "X by Y". You're talking about "X (performed by) by Y", but that, to me, is inherently a Recording concept. The Work concept would be "X (created by) by Y". By the above reasoning, if the performer for pop matters more than who composed it, then (ignoring arrangement questions here) http://musicbrainz.org/release/1ccd99ff-595a-40e5-8da5-1461b766e297.htmlwould represent 22 unique works, not 1 - and it would seem to me, the entire point of a 'work', which holds composition info, not performer info, is lost. 'Beethoven's Symphony 7' talks about the 7th symphony created by a composer; 'All You Need is Love by the Beatles' talks about the performers of the song - 'All You Need is Love by John Lennon' would be talking about the creator of the song, not the performer(s). Additionally, go back 40 or 50 years in pop - almost nothing was written by the performer. Would you list the 'great American songbook' songs under whoever happened to perform them each time, rather than the composer? Same problem - 1 work now becomes a multitude of works, and the point of works is lost. Brian
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