Wouldn't that depend on the service? Implying intent would seem a dangerous game to play. I would think that using deep links would require inspecting each services ToS/AUP. If the assumption is that it's deep linked to the stream directly then I think it has to be white listed, no?
I'd assumed throughout this discussion that we were talking about linking to the landing pages for the streams, not the stream directly. -Mark / InSinU8 On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:15 AM, Brian Schweitzer <brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, I was thinking of those little embedded Flash players; I'd doubt > they're intended to be deep-linked... After all, theoretically, you can > download from those, as well, but I'd suspect that most artists never intend > that either, so I'd not add that Flash-embedded mp3's url as a download > link. But yes, for a stream service which is as you describe - essentially > the rss version of a stream, then I'd agree, because of the > implicit permission grant. > Brian > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Pete Marsh <pete.ma...@bbc.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Hi Brian >> >> Yes, the original intent was a deep link to the stream, but it is within >> the context of a service; you would end up a page on the Spotify/We7 or >> whatever's player. The services that host those streams offer users the >> opportunity to share and link to those streams, so I think we can assume >> that the artists/labels are ok with that. Spotify and other services are >> regularly linked to all over t'internet as far as i can see. >> >> Obviously with artist pages and other sites there will be a page available >> to link to. I wouldn't argue that those should be deep links that would open >> in your media player, if that's what you're assuming. >> >> Best >> >> Peter >> ________________________________ >> From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org >> [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of Brian >> Schweitzer >> Sent: 25 August 2010 03:41 >> To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion >> Subject: Re: [mb-style] RFV: - 'Add Music can be streamed for free at' >> >> I'm only confused by one thing in your prior reply. If I understand >> correctly, your intent is that the AR be used to link to the stream, not the >> page on which the stream can be found. Am I misunderstanding, or is this >> correct? If it is correct, I'd disagree, with similar rationale - the >> artist makes the stream available, and while I think it's fair to assume >> that there's an inherent grant of permission to link to the page with the >> stream, I don't think I could support the same rationale for a deep link to >> the stream - unless the artist/label expressly grants that permission. They >> may want to provide stream users with other info, etc. (I'd note that the >> same is actually true of the other online music ARs; it's somewhat unclear >> as to whether the free download should be the mp3, or the page with the >> mp3's link, for example.) >> >> Brian >> >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Pete Marsh <pete.ma...@bbc.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> I've removed the Whitelist from the proposal... >>> >>> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Add_Music_can_be_streamed_for_free_ >>> at >>> >>> any other feedback welcomed...I've kept Nikki's link phrasing on the URL >>> as it's consistent with existing ARs which makes sense to me... >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org >>> [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of >>> Andrew Conkling >>> Sent: 20 August 2010 14:25 >>> To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion >>> Subject: Re: [mb-style] RFV: - 'Add Music can be streamed for free at' >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2010, at 5:57, Brian Schweitzer wrote: >>> > Does this AR really need a whitelist? Many labels' and artists' pages >>> that I run across these days are have streaming music. Isn't it a fair >>> assumption to think that, if a label or artist is providing streamed >>> music, it's safe to assume they'd want people to know about it - ie, to >>> link back to them? Yet going through the whole permission whitelisting >>> and RFC for each and every such URL would be sufficiently troublesome >>> that I know I'd never do it. >>> >>> Totally agreed; I feel the same way about cover art (though I realize >>> that's a bit of a different animal). Since we're not doing anything with >>> the streaming music actually on our site (just linking to it), I don't >>> see why a whitelist would be that necessary. >>> >>> Pete, I think linking to artist sites might also be useful; I'd say it's >>> better to keep this AR broader. Regarding a whitelist, I'd think a >>> hyperlink would be acceptable without a whitelist (since we're not doing >>> anything but linking), except in particular cases? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MusicBrainz-style mailing list >>> MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org >>> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style >>> >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/ >>> This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain >>> personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically >>> stated. >>> If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. >>> Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in >>> reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. >>> Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. >>> Further communication will signify your consent to this. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MusicBrainz-style mailing list >>> MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org >>> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style >> >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk >> This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal >> views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. >> If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. >> Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in >> reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. >> Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. >> Further communication will signify your consent to this. >> _______________________________________________ >> MusicBrainz-style mailing list >> MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org >> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > > > _______________________________________________ > MusicBrainz-style mailing list > MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
