Hi Nicolás, I have a few comments about the guideline. For [untitled] tracks it states: "These tracks are clearly not given a name on the release (album sleeve and liner notes) they appear on."
I think this sentence is vague enough to apply to [unknown] tracks, because they aren't given a name on the sleeve or liner notes either. Maybe it can be said that [untitled] tracks are often represented by a blank space in the track listing: http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=1125103 (track 1) http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=12261 (track 6) http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=368236 (track 1) The argument is that if those tracks were titled, their titles would have been printed. Yet someone might make the same argument for hidden tracks. A difference I see is that [untitled] tracks are referenced in some way on the sleeve. Is that fair to say, or can anyone think of counter-examples? I'm wondering how the following case is considered under the guideline: http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=367358 (track 1) http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=182893 (track 12) The literal word "Untitled" is printed in the track listing. Were these tracks "clearly not given a name"? Is it even possible to know if an artist really wanted to name their song "Untitled"? ;) There was a related mailing list discussion in 2005 that didn't have many replies.[1] Just a few other comments regarding point #1 under "Untitled tracks": "The recording and work used for the track will normally be also [untitled], but if the track is given an official name in another release, the recording and work can be updated." This is also vague to me. - It says the recording and work can be updated, but doesn't mention that the track (tracklist) should be. Is this intentional? - Doesn't this also apply to [unknown] tracks? I think this should be moved to its own small section which also mentions [unknown]. - When would the recording/work not also be [untitled]/[unknown]? It later states "the recording and work can be updated." When shouldn't it be updated? Work–Recording–Track title differences and inheritance seems like a more general issue that should have a separate, more general guideline (probably combining/superseding Consistent Original Data). So I wouldn't object if this point was removed altogether. I may notice other things to nitpick on, but most of it reads well. :) Michael(bitmap) [1] http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-users/2005-January/007586.html On Jan 25, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: > This RFC will expire on Feb 1st, 20:30 CET. > > Our current Untitled Track Style (including both [untitled] and > [unknown]) is confusing and not very practical. ( > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Untitled_Track_Style ) > It clashes with the Guess Case configuration on the matter of hidden > tracks ([untitled] according to the guideline, [unknown] with Guess > Case), fails to clearly set a difference between an untitled track and > an unknown track, and causes situations as in this recent forum > thread, where 3 people (myself being one) made 3 different readings of > the guideline: http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?id=2549 > > I think this proposal makes the [unknown] / [untitled] difference > quite clear, and that by merging all the cases of "untitled" tracks > into one, it becomes simpler too, while being equally comprehensive. > > [untitled] is always to be kept in the NGS tracklists where it > appears: if a name is given later, it can be changed at the > *recording* and *work* level. This is present on the proposal, > although it shouldn't be transferred to the guideline (if it passes) > until NGS ships, for obvious reasons. > > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/Untitled_Track_Style_update > -- > Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren > > _______________________________________________ > MusicBrainz-style mailing list > MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
