Sorry, in "Tracklist Titles and Tracklist Artist Credits differ from Release Titles and Release Artist Credits", "release" should be "recording".
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Yin Izanami <yind...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have major objections to recent comments. > > > >jacobbrett wrote: > > In my opinion: > > > > Track/Release Titles: > > * Typographical errors > > * Incorrect titles (e.g. bootleg prints title as a line from the > lyrics, > > or two track titles are swapped) > > * Poor capitalisation (ALL-CAPS, all-lowercase etc., barring Artist > > Intent or Japanese/foreign exception) > > * Subtitle (Japanese/foreign exception) > > * Series/Volume/Part numbers (Japanese/foreign exception) > > * Extra title information: > > * "Song Name remix name" → "Song Name (remix name)" > > * "Song Name 〜remix name〜" → no change (Japanese/foreign exception) > > * Some abbreviations: > > * "w/" → "with" > > * "ft." → "feat." > > > > If any affected features "as printed" are important for identifying a > > particular release, a note can be made in the release annotation. > > > > I don't understand your post. Are all those things that you would _fix_? > Because if you're going to go that far, how exactly will Tracklist Titles > and Tracklist Artist Credits differ from Release Titles and Release Artist > Credits? > > If you're going to make Tracks and Recordings nearly identical, then as I > understand it, you defeat the purpose of NGS splitting tracks (in a > tracklist) from Recordings. Without the permission for track and recording > fields to differ, the only thing left would be to give editors headaches > synchronizing 2 titles, 2 artist credits, and 2 track lengths between each > other. (This is already a major pain for releases added without track > lengths. Times filled in for the release's tracklist won't be reflected in > the recordings, they need to be done separately. Why require the extra work > if in fact Tracks and Recordings should both be normalized to similar or > identical values?) > > > >jacobbrett wrote: > > I think the above rules would sufficiently retain the titling as intended > on > > a particular release, while making it more useful/less erroneous and > > standardised. The recording title could take the above further by having > > further normalisation applied ("with" → "feat."? Perhaps a better example > is > > needed here...), > > So you want to normalize "A with B" to "A feat. B"? Will you stop there, > or will you also change "A starring B", "A & B", "AxB", "A-B", "A+B", "AとB" > (that's a Japanese character if you get a question mark), "A Lovers B", or > whatever other combining word the artists came up with, to also be "A feat. > B"? If you're not willing to convert every language and every word to > "feat.", then what makes "with" synonymous with "featuring" in a way that > other phrases aren't? > > > >>Andii Hughes wrote: > >>The recording title should be the most complete possible title (i.e. > >>with all feat. attributions, etc.) and normalised (e.g. with->feat as > >>you say). > > I thought there was widespread agreement that Recording titles should NOT > contain artists, and that featured artists should be moved into Recording > artist credits. > > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Andii Hughes > <gnu_and...@member.fsf.org>wrote: > >> On 12 June 2011 12:11, jacobbrett <jacobbr...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> snip... >> >> > In my opinion: >> > >> > Track/Release Titles: >> > * Typographical errors >> > * Incorrect titles (e.g. bootleg prints title as a line from the >> lyrics, >> > or two track titles are swapped) >> > * Poor capitalisation (ALL-CAPS, all-lowercase etc., barring Artist >> > Intent or Japanese/foreign exception) >> > * Subtitle (Japanese/foreign exception) >> > * Series/Volume/Part numbers (Japanese/foreign exception) >> > * Extra title information: >> > * "Song Name remix name" → "Song Name (remix name)" >> > * "Song Name 〜remix name〜" → no change (Japanese/foreign >> exception) >> > * Some abbreviations: >> > * "w/" → "with" >> > * "ft." → "feat." >> > >> > If any affected features "as printed" are important for identifying a >> > particular release, a note can be made in the release annotation. >> > >> >> This seems a good list of things to clean up. My main use for MB is >> to obtain data on a release that has been sanitised and explicitly to >> avoid having the title and artist of a track vary between different >> releases. If you really want a database of cover replicas, there's >> already Discogs. >> >> > I think the above rules would sufficiently retain the titling as >> intended on >> > a particular release, while making it more useful/less erroneous and >> > standardised. The recording title could take the above further by having >> > further normalisation applied ("with" → "feat."? Perhaps a better >> example is >> > needed here...), as well as Consistent Original Data [1] (so that it >> would >> > act as the "canonical" title). >> > >> >> The recording title should be the most complete possible title (i.e. >> with all feat. attributions, etc.) and normalised (e.g. with->feat as >> you say). >> >> > I previously rationalised some of these points here: >> > >> http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/VolumeNumberStyle-in-NGS-td3573712i20.html#a3588251 >> > >> > [1] http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/History:Consistent_Original_Data >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/Normalization-of-release-level-data-NGS-tp3591563p3591759.html >> > Sent from the Musicbrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > MusicBrainz-style mailing list >> > MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org >> > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style >> >> >> >> -- >> Andii :-) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MusicBrainz-style mailing list >> MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org >> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style >> > >
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