Sorry, in "Tracklist Titles and Tracklist Artist Credits differ from Release
Titles and Release Artist Credits", "release" should be "recording".
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Yin Izanami <yind...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have major objections to recent comments.
>
>
> >jacobbrett wrote:
> > In my opinion:
> >
> > Track/Release Titles:
> > * Typographical errors
> > * Incorrect titles (e.g. bootleg prints title as a line from the
> lyrics,
> > or two track titles are swapped)
> > * Poor capitalisation (ALL-CAPS, all-lowercase etc., barring Artist
> > Intent or Japanese/foreign exception)
> > * Subtitle (Japanese/foreign exception)
> > * Series/Volume/Part numbers (Japanese/foreign exception)
> > * Extra title information:
> > * "Song Name remix name" → "Song Name (remix name)"
> > * "Song Name 〜remix name〜" → no change (Japanese/foreign exception)
> > * Some abbreviations:
> > * "w/" → "with"
> > * "ft." → "feat."
> >
> > If any affected features "as printed" are important for identifying a
> > particular release, a note can be made in the release annotation.
> >
>
> I don't understand your post. Are all those things that you would _fix_?
> Because if you're going to go that far, how exactly will Tracklist Titles
> and Tracklist Artist Credits differ from Release Titles and Release Artist
> Credits?
>
> If you're going to make Tracks and Recordings nearly identical, then as I
> understand it, you defeat the purpose of NGS splitting tracks (in a
> tracklist) from Recordings. Without the permission for track and recording
> fields to differ, the only thing left would be to give editors headaches
> synchronizing 2 titles, 2 artist credits, and 2 track lengths between each
> other. (This is already a major pain for releases added without track
> lengths. Times filled in for the release's tracklist won't be reflected in
> the recordings, they need to be done separately. Why require the extra work
> if in fact Tracks and Recordings should both be normalized to similar or
> identical values?)
>
>
> >jacobbrett wrote:
> > I think the above rules would sufficiently retain the titling as intended
> on
> > a particular release, while making it more useful/less erroneous and
> > standardised. The recording title could take the above further by having
> > further normalisation applied ("with" → "feat."? Perhaps a better example
> is
> > needed here...),
>
> So you want to normalize "A with B" to "A feat. B"? Will you stop there,
> or will you also change "A starring B", "A & B", "AxB", "A-B", "A+B", "AとB"
> (that's a Japanese character if you get a question mark), "A Lovers B", or
> whatever other combining word the artists came up with, to also be "A feat.
> B"? If you're not willing to convert every language and every word to
> "feat.", then what makes "with" synonymous with "featuring" in a way that
> other phrases aren't?
>
>
> >>Andii Hughes wrote:
> >>The recording title should be the most complete possible title (i.e.
> >>with all feat. attributions, etc.) and normalised (e.g. with->feat as
> >>you say).
>
> I thought there was widespread agreement that Recording titles should NOT
> contain artists, and that featured artists should be moved into Recording
> artist credits.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Andii Hughes
> <gnu_and...@member.fsf.org>wrote:
>
>> On 12 June 2011 12:11, jacobbrett <jacobbr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>>
>> snip...
>>
>> > In my opinion:
>> >
>> > Track/Release Titles:
>> > * Typographical errors
>> > * Incorrect titles (e.g. bootleg prints title as a line from the
>> lyrics,
>> > or two track titles are swapped)
>> > * Poor capitalisation (ALL-CAPS, all-lowercase etc., barring Artist
>> > Intent or Japanese/foreign exception)
>> > * Subtitle (Japanese/foreign exception)
>> > * Series/Volume/Part numbers (Japanese/foreign exception)
>> > * Extra title information:
>> > * "Song Name remix name" → "Song Name (remix name)"
>> > * "Song Name 〜remix name〜" → no change (Japanese/foreign
>> exception)
>> > * Some abbreviations:
>> > * "w/" → "with"
>> > * "ft." → "feat."
>> >
>> > If any affected features "as printed" are important for identifying a
>> > particular release, a note can be made in the release annotation.
>> >
>>
>> This seems a good list of things to clean up. My main use for MB is
>> to obtain data on a release that has been sanitised and explicitly to
>> avoid having the title and artist of a track vary between different
>> releases. If you really want a database of cover replicas, there's
>> already Discogs.
>>
>> > I think the above rules would sufficiently retain the titling as
>> intended on
>> > a particular release, while making it more useful/less erroneous and
>> > standardised. The recording title could take the above further by having
>> > further normalisation applied ("with" → "feat."? Perhaps a better
>> example is
>> > needed here...), as well as Consistent Original Data [1] (so that it
>> would
>> > act as the "canonical" title).
>> >
>>
>> The recording title should be the most complete possible title (i.e.
>> with all feat. attributions, etc.) and normalised (e.g. with->feat as
>> you say).
>>
>> > I previously rationalised some of these points here:
>> >
>> http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/VolumeNumberStyle-in-NGS-td3573712i20.html#a3588251
>> >
>> > [1] http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/History:Consistent_Original_Data
>> >
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