2012/2/1 lorenz pressler <l...@gmx.at> > Am 31.01.2012, 05:32 Uhr, schrieb David Gasaway <d...@gasaway.org>: > > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 09:03, lorenz pressler <l...@gmx.at> wrote: > >> why should i bother adding composer at work lvl if i can do it at > >> release lvl? > > > > Here is the practical problem I see with playing too much with track > > ACs. If my plays start scrobbling as "Yo Yo Ma - Sonata for cello and > > piano, Op. 99" either because that's what's stored in ARTIST, or > > stored in MUSICBRAINZ_ARTISTID, or pulled in by last.fm through their > > data feed... Well, then I have a big issue with that. Before we make > > a change like this I want to know that this scenario *will not > > happen*. > > i was referring to release and release group titles. i don't really care > about track-AC, i agree with you that we have to be considerate about > other applications and services that rely on that field. leaving it at > composer like we used to is ok for me, if we would add main performer it > would be okay for me too. even just crediting the main artist would be ok > for me too, eg. only the performer on a recital. what i don't want is to > scrobble "feat. conductor, piano:" etc.. > > what i don't want is superfluous and redundant information on the > release-AC (=album artist). the purpose of this field is to assign > releases to specific artists. and thats it. lucky for us the publishers > have already rid of us the task to find out what artists should be > credited here, they wrote it on the front of the cover since they want > their releases sorted in correctly. > and it does not matter at all who played which role of these artists, that > is not the purpose of this field. on my cd's at least there is no > performer indication on the front cover. if everything would be printed on > the front cover (release-AC) it would be quite ugly and i won't need to > open the booklet or look at the back (ARs) at all. and if i don't need the > ARs is won't write any for my own releases too. > > > pabouk wrote: > > Why do I think we should have two artist fields at the release > > level? How would you solve the following without them? > > - User should be able to store the prominent release-wide > > composers into one tag and performers into another tag. > > This is important to sort and search _whole_ releases > > in a music collection by composers or by performers. > > if i want releases credited to Beethoven i just go to the releases tab on > the artist Beethoven. > if i want releases credited to Barenboim i just go to the releases tab on > the artist Barenboim. > in most cases this is sufficient. > in some cases you'd have some artists that do compose and play. if there > is a great need to differenciate between them the much sleeker solution > would be to compare release-AC with recording-ARs and derive the solution > from that instead of duplicating data. > > > - In the MB webUI we should be able to sort and group > > release lists either by composer or by performer. > > again, the data is already there, this is an display/interface issue. > main artists in release-AC, role in ARs. this is a database, we don't have > to re-enter all information for every entity we can actually combine them. > > > - In the MB webUI we should be able to search releases > > either by composer or by performer not only both combined. > > practical example where it would make a difference? this would only > concern artists that compose and perform. however above applies i don't > know exactly what you want to achieve, but i guess it's also possible with > a more complex database query. > > > i want to enter as little as possible and utilize that as much as possible. > > -- > lorenz pressler >
Let's look at some release artist examples, only composers & artists featured on the cover. Using slash & "perf." for now: http://musicbrainz.org/release/8f2aff61-f59f-4b78-967b-2861ac303250 Johann Sebastian Bach perf. Herbert von Karajan / Berliner Philharmoniker http://musicbrainz.org/release/ba355099-bdf0-4074-941b-c7990f8169ae Antonín Dvořák / Пётр Ильич Чайковский / Александр Порфирьевич Бородин perf. Emerson String Quartet http://musicbrainz.org/release/b950a1d7-58db-4b7f-9c36-50d5a91b1393 Johann Sebastian Bach / Dietrich Buxtehude perf. Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau http://musicbrainz.org/release/b9c71fc4-4f13-4770-b4ba-7674b55216cb Strauss perf. Montserrat Caballé http://www.amazon.com/Copland-Conducts-William-Warfield/dp/B0000CF32H/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1328095130&sr=1-1 Copland perf. Copland / London / Columbia http://musicbrainz.org/release/40f3d6d2-058d-43c4-8e7c-1ed0e352e4ba Various Artists http://musicbrainz.org/release/93e6028b-47b6-4d6f-8ed7-acd2647747cf Gioachino Rossini perf. Catherine Malfitano / Agnes Baltsa / Lucia Popp [8 more!] comments? /symphonick
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