2014-02-03 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren <reosare...@gmail.com>: > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria > <davito...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> 2014-01-29 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren <reosare...@gmail.com> >> >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, symphonick <symphon...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Perhaps we can find a better wording than "claim to be an orchestra"? I >>>> think I understand what you mean, but "The Oslo Philharmonic claims to be >>>> an orchestra" doesn't sound right IMO. >>>> >>> >>> Perhaps. I'm not sure how else to define it though - an orchestra is a >>> large instrumental ensemble, unless the ensemble calls itself an ensemble. >>> You could say that I guess. >>> >>> http://www.oslofilharmonien.no/ Oslo-Filharmonien - orchestra (symphony) >>>> >>>> http://www.ricercarconsort.com/ - group (instrumental ensemble) >>>> >>> >>> Those seem clear. >>> >>> >>>> http://www.drottningholmsbarockensemble.net/ - group? They have >>>> "ensemble" in the name, but on the "about us"-page say they can present an >>>> orchestra. >>>> >>> >>> The group itself seems to be an ensemble. When they work as an >>> orchestra, we can use the orchestra relationship. >>> >>> >>>> http://taverner.org/ "The Taverner Choir, Consort & Players" - ?? >>>> There are more mixed choir/instrumental ensembles like this, e.g. Bach >>>> Collegium Japan. >>>> >>> >>> The Taverner specifically is a "parent group", we can and probably >>> should just link its parts as subgroups, and mark the choir as choir. For >>> the BCJ and stuff like that, since they're not clearly either, "Group" >>> would probably be it. >>> >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Kaspers_Orkester - Group (jazz/pop >>>> band, translates to "Bo Kasper's Orchestra") >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Miller_Orchestra - orchestra? >>>> Claims to be an orchestra? There are many alternatives here: big band, jazz >>>> orchestra, jazz band and more. ("dance orchestra" was common in Swedish) >>>> >>>> Or did you mean only "classical" orchestras? >>>> >>> >>> Not necessarily but I know absolutely nothing about jazz (except that I >>> don't enjoy it :) ), so I don't know how and if it applies there. The Glenn >>> Miller one seems orchestra-ish enough to me... >>> >> >> Jazz has quite different standards from classical. AFAIK, any group >> bigger that a dozen instruments could call itself orchestra, sometimes even >> fewer: Mahavishnu Orchestra were at some point as few as 4! Which raises >> the question: do we set a hard limit to what should be called orchestra, or >> do we stick to the definition "claim to be an orchestra"? And does calling >> oneself orchestra count as claiming to be one? I am not sure Mahavishnu >> Orchestra really claimed they were an orchestra. >> > > Well, some one-man bands call themselves orchestras. I was hoping people > would just use common sense for this, which is why I didn't want to lock > ourselves into any strict definition. >
I am usually quite OK with common sense, but here common sense might mean different things for users from different languages and definitely mean different things for users with different musical cultures. Orchestra does not mean the same this for an European classical music user and for a lover of New Orleans jazz... But we can try common sense and see if it needs adjustments later. -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org
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