I agree with Frederic, an "orchestra" can mean a lot of different things. At least we have to explain what it means to claim to be an orchestra.
2014-02-03 Frederic Da Vitoria <davito...@gmail.com>: > 2014-02-03 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren <reosare...@gmail.com>: > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria > <davito...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> 2014-01-29 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren <reosare...@gmail.com> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, symphonick <symphon...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Perhaps we can find a better wording than "claim to be an orchestra"? >>>>> I think I understand what you mean, but "The Oslo Philharmonic claims to >>>>> be >>>>> an orchestra" doesn't sound right IMO. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Perhaps. I'm not sure how else to define it though - an orchestra is a >>>> large instrumental ensemble, unless the ensemble calls itself an ensemble. >>>> You could say that I guess. >>>> >>>> http://www.oslofilharmonien.no/ Oslo-Filharmonien - orchestra >>>>> (symphony) >>>>> >>>>> http://www.ricercarconsort.com/ - group (instrumental ensemble) >>>>> >>>> >>>> Those seem clear. >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.drottningholmsbarockensemble.net/ - group? They have >>>>> "ensemble" in the name, but on the "about us"-page say they can present an >>>>> orchestra. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The group itself seems to be an ensemble. When they work as an >>>> orchestra, we can use the orchestra relationship. >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://taverner.org/ "The Taverner Choir, Consort & Players" - ?? >>>>> There are more mixed choir/instrumental ensembles like this, e.g. Bach >>>>> Collegium Japan. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The Taverner specifically is a "parent group", we can and probably >>>> should just link its parts as subgroups, and mark the choir as choir. For >>>> the BCJ and stuff like that, since they're not clearly either, "Group" >>>> would probably be it. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Kaspers_Orkester - Group (jazz/pop >>>>> band, translates to "Bo Kasper's Orchestra") >>>>> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Miller_Orchestra - orchestra? >>>>> Claims to be an orchestra? There are many alternatives here: big band, >>>>> jazz >>>>> orchestra, jazz band and more. ("dance orchestra" was common in Swedish) >>>>> >>>>> Or did you mean only "classical" orchestras? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Not necessarily but I know absolutely nothing about jazz (except that I >>>> don't enjoy it :) ), so I don't know how and if it applies there. The Glenn >>>> Miller one seems orchestra-ish enough to me... >>>> >>> >>> Jazz has quite different standards from classical. AFAIK, any group >>> bigger that a dozen instruments could call itself orchestra, sometimes even >>> fewer: Mahavishnu Orchestra were at some point as few as 4! Which raises >>> the question: do we set a hard limit to what should be called orchestra, or >>> do we stick to the definition "claim to be an orchestra"? And does calling >>> oneself orchestra count as claiming to be one? I am not sure Mahavishnu >>> Orchestra really claimed they were an orchestra. >>> >> >> Well, some one-man bands call themselves orchestras. I was hoping people >> would just use common sense for this, which is why I didn't want to lock >> ourselves into any strict definition. >> > > I am usually quite OK with common sense, but here common sense might mean > different things for users from different languages and definitely mean > different things for users with different musical cultures. Orchestra does > not mean the same this for an European classical music user and for a lover > of New Orleans jazz... But we can try common sense and see if it needs > adjustments later. > > -- > Frederic Da Vitoria > (davitof) > > Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - > http://www.april.org > > _______________________________________________ > MusicBrainz-style mailing list > MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > -- /symphonick
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