> Third, the reason that empty projects are not showing is your parent filter. Not so fast. If I remove the parent filter the sort orders melt down. I think they are in effect applied at the end to the highest light level of thing, which instead of being Project now becomes er... folder. ==> The priority of the folder. Not good.
Sorry for confusion - "used in anger" is a Britishism for "used for real/intended purpose rather than in tests". Odd, I concede but there you go. On the other hand we Brits never entirely get the nuances of Americanisms like "kiss my ass"... Btw, at the risk of changing subject yet again is there any documentation in existence that explains how those rules and sub-rules are supposed to work - let alone exactly what the each of the properties actually mean? I seem to be bumping against the limits of the MLO system and its woeful documentation. :^/ On 4 December 2014 at 04:50, Dwight Arthur <m...@dwightarthur.us> wrote: > First off, congratulations. > > > > Secondly, I was getting all ready to write you a treatise on > computed-score, which seemed to have been inoperative for you, but now it > seems to be working. Could you share what changed to make computed-score > work for you? > > > > Third, the reason that empty projects are not showing is your parent > filter. I’m not really sure why it works this way, my guess is that the > empty projects cannot get through the filter on account of not having a > parent. Unlike the *next action* tasks under the non-empty projects, each > of which obviously has a parent. Anyhow, eliminating the parent filter > brings back the empty projects and also any unattached tasks that may be > floating about at the root, but also brings back folders. I can’t determine > any way to drop the folders out of the view while keeping empty projects > and orphan tasks. Maybe you can find some other way, like giving all of the > folders a low importance to drive them to the bottom of the view. > > > > Finally, not that I will ever use it, but turning a single task into a > subproject as a way to force it to be a next action seems to be a brilliant > hack. > > > > And even more finally, you made several references to using the program in > anger. I had no clue as to the meaning of the phrase and I asked on another > forum and just got some other puzzled responses. It seemed to indicate that > you were just an unusually hostile person, and proud of it. Then I found a > post somewhere saying that it’s the opposite of “for show”, perhaps similar > to the concept “in real life”. Hmmm… > > > > *From:* mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com [mailto: > mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Smith > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 10:31 PM > *To:* mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [MLO] Re: View showing Next Action with Project, sorted by > Comp Score ... SUCCESS ! > > > > I spoke too soon. Drat !!! There is a problem. > > Because the View is based on an Actions's Project's 'priority' (i.e > Urgency & Importance), it doesn't know what to do with Actions with no > parent (Projects) ! No does it know what to do with Projects with no > Actions. And both disappear from view. :^( > > So there needs to be in IF in the logic. i.e. If an Action hasn't got a > Project, then use its own 'priority'. And if a Project hasnt got a live > Action still show itself. > > > > Any suggestions? (other than give up trying to use Project priority...) > > J > > > On Thursday, December 4, 2014 2:44:59 AM UTC, John Smith wrote: > > > > Hi > > > I rather chuffed with this. > > > > My other threads got confused, so let's start this again > > > BACKGROUND RE-CAP: > > I am been trying to implement GTD on MLO. And because David Allen suggests > that we have (in practice) quite so many 'Projects' and because in GTD > method you need to create a Next Action for every one of your Projects, due > to the large number of Next Actions (often between 60 and 120 at once) that > you are likely to have running in parallel... due to these large numbers at > once, choosing what to do next - i.e. establishing priority of actions - > becomes hard. > > Yes, Weekly Reviews are crucial. Yes Daily Reviews are crucial (plus quick > scans more than once a day if possible). And yes, using Context to tell you > what you can do next '*right now'*' is also a helpful way to cut down the > number of Next Actions you are likely to be faced with at once. > > > > HOWEVER, with such a large number of Next Actions any way you do it, you > need to be 'on top of' a LOT of Projects at once, and I find it extremely > easy to find myself NOT doing the things that my brain has told me several > times are rather more Important and/or Urgent, than just ticking off easy > stuff off that happens to be in front of me. > > To put this more strongly, with what I had until today it was far too easy > to miss important/urgent (i.e. high priority) stuff, which can easily be a > *total > disaster*! > > Secondly I also get frustrated if the importance and urgency is held only > at the *Action* level, because every time you tick off a Next Action, you > are liable find you need to enter that Importance & Urgency all over again. > And when up against the clock this simply may not happen! The truth for me > at least, is that mostly it's the priority of completing Project itself > that I need to keep on top of, rather than that of individual actions. > > THE MISSION: > For the above reasons I wanted to be able to create a single view that > showed: > > > a) The one 'Next Action' for each live project > > > b) To show me & allow me to edit the Importance & Urgency of the *project* > to which each action belongs > > > c) To *not* show the folders (as they get in the way) > > > d) To also sort the entire view into priority order using Importance + > Urgency of the Projects, so that the higher priority items are visible at > the top of the page. > > > > f) To be able to *adjust* the Importance and Urgency in real time on the > same screen and thereby change the sort order *in real time*. This means > that the priorities can then to be to some extent as *relative* > priorities (i.e. what is more high or low priority compared to what else) > as well as being absolute values. > > THE SOLUTION > > After a several false starts and help from several directions (notably > from Dwight and pottster) I think I this newbie here, may have cracked the > problem. So I created a new View from scratch and I then did the following > filter settings: > Filter > General > "Show Actions: Next Actions" > Filter > General > "Show Hierarchy: Yes" > Filter > General > Include Parents - ticked > Filter > General > Set parent filter to: "IsProject" > > Filter > Group & Sort > Advanced un-ticked > Filter > Group & Sort > Group by > (none) > Filter > Group & Sort > Sort > Computed-Score [descending] > > I then opened up the columns for Importance and for Urgency (plus Context > for good measure) and save the view. > > After all this sweat it is now *semi-miraculous* to see it working! > > - A bonus is that you can hit F6 to just see all the projects, nicely > sorted by a fusion (mostly) of Importance and Urgency. And F7 of course > brings back all the Next Actions. > > - Another surprise is that it doesn't blow up with multi-level projects. > When you hit F7 the project structure, complete with Next Actions appears > all nicely indented. > > - Another bonus I discovered is that you can 'force' the addition of > individual Actions into view if required, simply by ticking the Project > button on the additional Action you want. > > > > - A nice surprise (to me) is that if you double click on an action, you > are taken to the main Outline view to see all the other sibling Actions for > the project... and double clicking again takes me back again. (Obviously > you need to set up the new Workspace (i.e. tab) to sync selections for this > to work. [clue right-click on tab name]. > > - What is also great is that the Importance and Urgency columns > automatically change their visual 'markup' (ie. colour/boldness) depending > on their value. This make the thing more visual, with bright bold red for > the supplier important/urgent stuff etc. > > - I also like being able to do Alt/H to flag stuff up visually that is > dead urgent too (in my case making that text go onto a bright yellow > background). > > - But the best fun of all is twiddling with the Imporance and Urgency of a > project and seeing the project instantly fly up and down my list of > priorities depending on what values I put in. > > BRILLIANT ! :^)) > > No doubt something will go wrong or like a fool I will decide I need > something different, but for now I'm basking in glory and am firmly > chalking this up as a "rare victory" over technology ! > > Thanks chaps > > J > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MyLifeOrganized" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/6926ac05-0f17-4892-a691-ef7c4e4b6873%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/6926ac05-0f17-4892-a691-ef7c4e4b6873%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/mylifeorganized/cRD0QqldcS4/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/010101d00f7d%24e43c7380%24acb55a80%24%40dwightarthur.us > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/010101d00f7d%24e43c7380%24acb55a80%24%40dwightarthur.us?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. 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