My conclusion is that my treatise on computed-score may still be necessary. Will attempt to get it out in the next 24h -Dwight Mlo betazoid on Android sgn2
On Dec 4, 2014, John Smith <ship...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Third, the reason that empty projects are not showing is your parent >filter. >Not so fast. If I remove the parent filter the sort orders melt down. I >think they are in effect applied at the end to the highest light level >of >thing, which instead of being Project now becomes er... folder. ==> The >priority of the folder. Not good. > >Sorry for confusion - "used in anger" is a Britishism for "used for >real/intended purpose rather than in tests". Odd, I concede but there >you >go. > >On the other hand we Brits never entirely get the nuances of >Americanisms >like "kiss my ass"... > >Btw, at the risk of changing subject yet again is there any >documentation >in existence that explains how those rules and sub-rules are supposed >to >work - let alone exactly what the each of the properties actually mean? >I seem to be bumping against the limits of the MLO system and its >woeful >documentation. :^/ > > > > >On 4 December 2014 at 04:50, Dwight Arthur <m...@dwightarthur.us> wrote: > >> First off, congratulations. >> >> >> >> Secondly, I was getting all ready to write you a treatise on >> computed-score, which seemed to have been inoperative for you, but >now it >> seems to be working. Could you share what changed to make >computed-score >> work for you? >> >> >> >> Third, the reason that empty projects are not showing is your parent >> filter. I’m not really sure why it works this way, my guess is that >the >> empty projects cannot get through the filter on account of not having >a >> parent. Unlike the *next action* tasks under the non-empty projects, >each >> of which obviously has a parent. Anyhow, eliminating the parent >filter >> brings back the empty projects and also any unattached tasks that may >be >> floating about at the root, but also brings back folders. I can’t >determine >> any way to drop the folders out of the view while keeping empty >projects >> and orphan tasks. Maybe you can find some other way, like giving all >of the >> folders a low importance to drive them to the bottom of the view. >> >> >> >> Finally, not that I will ever use it, but turning a single task into >a >> subproject as a way to force it to be a next action seems to be a >brilliant >> hack. >> >> >> >> And even more finally, you made several references to using the >program in >> anger. I had no clue as to the meaning of the phrase and I asked on >another >> forum and just got some other puzzled responses. It seemed to >indicate that >> you were just an unusually hostile person, and proud of it. Then I >found a >> post somewhere saying that it’s the opposite of “for show”, perhaps >similar >> to the concept “in real life”. Hmmm… >> >> >> >> *From:* mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com [mailto: >> mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Smith >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 10:31 PM >> *To:* mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* [MLO] Re: View showing Next Action with Project, sorted by >> Comp Score ... SUCCESS ! >> >> >> >> I spoke too soon. Drat !!! There is a problem. >> >> Because the View is based on an Actions's Project's 'priority' (i.e >> Urgency & Importance), it doesn't know what to do with Actions with >no >> parent (Projects) ! No does it know what to do with Projects with no >> Actions. And both disappear from view. :^( >> >> So there needs to be in IF in the logic. i.e. If an Action hasn't got >a >> Project, then use its own 'priority'. And if a Project hasnt got a >live >> Action still show itself. >> >> >> >> Any suggestions? (other than give up trying to use Project >priority...) >> >> J >> >> >> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 2:44:59 AM UTC, John Smith wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi >> >> >> I rather chuffed with this. >> >> >> >> My other threads got confused, so let's start this again >> >> >> BACKGROUND RE-CAP: >> >> I am been trying to implement GTD on MLO. And because David Allen >suggests >> that we have (in practice) quite so many 'Projects' and because in >GTD >> method you need to create a Next Action for every one of your >Projects, due >> to the large number of Next Actions (often between 60 and 120 at >once) that >> you are likely to have running in parallel... due to these large >numbers at >> once, choosing what to do next - i.e. establishing priority of >actions - >> becomes hard. >> >> Yes, Weekly Reviews are crucial. Yes Daily Reviews are crucial (plus >quick >> scans more than once a day if possible). And yes, using Context to >tell you >> what you can do next '*right now'*' is also a helpful way to cut down >the >> number of Next Actions you are likely to be faced with at once. >> >> >> >> HOWEVER, with such a large number of Next Actions any way you do it, >you >> need to be 'on top of' a LOT of Projects at once, and I find it >extremely >> easy to find myself NOT doing the things that my brain has told me >several >> times are rather more Important and/or Urgent, than just ticking off >easy >> stuff off that happens to be in front of me. >> >> To put this more strongly, with what I had until today it was far too >easy >> to miss important/urgent (i.e. high priority) stuff, which can easily >be a *total >> disaster*! >> >> Secondly I also get frustrated if the importance and urgency is held >only >> at the *Action* level, because every time you tick off a Next Action, >you >> are liable find you need to enter that Importance & Urgency all over >again. >> And when up against the clock this simply may not happen! The truth >for me >> at least, is that mostly it's the priority of completing Project >itself >> that I need to keep on top of, rather than that of individual >actions. >> >> THE MISSION: >> For the above reasons I wanted to be able to create a single view >that >> showed: >> >> >> a) The one 'Next Action' for each live project >> >> >> b) To show me & allow me to edit the Importance & Urgency of the >*project* >> to which each action belongs >> >> >> c) To *not* show the folders (as they get in the way) >> >> >> d) To also sort the entire view into priority order using Importance >+ >> Urgency of the Projects, so that the higher priority items are >visible at >> the top of the page. >> >> >> >> f) To be able to *adjust* the Importance and Urgency in real time on >the >> same screen and thereby change the sort order *in real time*. This >means >> that the priorities can then to be to some extent as *relative* >> priorities (i.e. what is more high or low priority compared to what >else) >> as well as being absolute values. >> >> THE SOLUTION >> >> After a several false starts and help from several directions >(notably >> from Dwight and pottster) I think I this newbie here, may have >cracked the >> problem. So I created a new View from scratch and I then did the >following >> filter settings: >> Filter > General > "Show Actions: Next Actions" >> Filter > General > "Show Hierarchy: Yes" >> Filter > General > Include Parents - ticked >> Filter > General > Set parent filter to: "IsProject" >> >> Filter > Group & Sort > Advanced un-ticked >> Filter > Group & Sort > Group by > (none) >> Filter > Group & Sort > Sort > Computed-Score [descending] >> >> I then opened up the columns for Importance and for Urgency (plus >Context >> for good measure) and save the view. >> >> After all this sweat it is now *semi-miraculous* to see it working! >> >> - A bonus is that you can hit F6 to just see all the projects, nicely >> sorted by a fusion (mostly) of Importance and Urgency. And F7 of >course >> brings back all the Next Actions. >> >> - Another surprise is that it doesn't blow up with multi-level >projects. >> When you hit F7 the project structure, complete with Next Actions >appears >> all nicely indented. >> >> - Another bonus I discovered is that you can 'force' the addition of >> individual Actions into view if required, simply by ticking the >Project >> button on the additional Action you want. >> >> >> >> - A nice surprise (to me) is that if you double click on an action, >you >> are taken to the main Outline view to see all the other sibling >Actions for >> the project... and double clicking again takes me back again. >(Obviously >> you need to set up the new Workspace (i.e. tab) to sync selections >for this >> to work. [clue right-click on tab name]. >> >> - What is also great is that the Importance and Urgency columns >> automatically change their visual 'markup' (ie. colour/boldness) >depending >> on their value. This make the thing more visual, with bright bold red >for >> the supplier important/urgent stuff etc. >> >> - I also like being able to do Alt/H to flag stuff up visually that >is >> dead urgent too (in my case making that text go onto a bright yellow >> background). >> >> - But the best fun of all is twiddling with the Imporance and Urgency >of a >> project and seeing the project instantly fly up and down my list of >> priorities depending on what values I put in. >> >> BRILLIANT ! :^)) >> >> No doubt something will go wrong or like a fool I will decide I need >> something different, but for now I'm basking in glory and am firmly >> chalking this up as a "rare victory" over technology ! >> >> Thanks chaps >> >> J >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups >> "MyLifeOrganized" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >send an >> email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to >mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> >https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/6926ac05-0f17-4892-a691-ef7c4e4b6873%40googlegroups.com >> ><https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/6926ac05-0f17-4892-a691-ef7c4e4b6873%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >the >> Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> >https://groups.google.com/d/topic/mylifeorganized/cRD0QqldcS4/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to >mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> >https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/010101d00f7d%24e43c7380%24acb55a80%24%40dwightarthur.us >> ><https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/010101d00f7d%24e43c7380%24acb55a80%24%40dwightarthur.us?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. 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