Hi All Let me try another tack and state where I am and how I am trying to use MLO.
I am finding that entering individual Importance and Urgency for individual tasks seems to take too long... so I am trying to store the what I will call 'priority' (which roughly speaking I am using to mean a conflation of both Importance and Urgency) by manually moving tasks around within the "Outline > All Tasks" view in MLO Windows. If I move stuff around in MLO Windows, yes the resulting order appears in MLO Android. So far so good. I have also discovered that if I create a view based on Outline > All Tasks but first having changed the filter to be Filter > General > Next Actions, before saving the View in question, not only will this View match the current manually created sort order in Outline > All Tasks, but also I am able to move tasks up and down the page (i.e. changing the order on the page) *and* have this new order appear whenever I go back to Outline > All Tasks. (And unsurprisingly this new order will appear in MLO Android both things are synced.) This is good too, because it means I can freely change the 'priority' of tasks simply by manually changing the sort order when I am in Filter > General > Next Actions. What seems odd though is that if I create a View using Filter > General > *Active* (instead of *Next Actions*), then MLO will not let me move stuff around without the popup appearing. In fact that's not quite true because I can move stuff around *within* a project, it's just that MLO wont let me move stuff around in the root directory without the warning message. Any thoughts? On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Dwight Arthur <m...@dwightarthur.us> wrote: > > Hi, John. > > > > Since I started writing this, there have been good answers to your > question from Andrei B and Lisa. I agree with their posts but I think mine > goes further, so I’m posting it. I should really edit it to remove the > parts the prior posts have already addressed but I’m out of time for this, > so I’m sending it with my apologies. Here are several issues that I cannot > address, perhaps others can. Look at the end of this post for places where > I say “I don’t know”. Thanks. > > > > In one of my first posts to you I mentioned the importance of > understanding the difference between the order tasks are in when you look > at the outliner, versus the order tasks are in when you look at a view that > takes a filtered subset of your tasks and sorts them. > > > > Your database of tasks is arranged in a tree structure. When you look at > the “all tasks” view you see all of your tasks in their outline positions. > This does not necessarily have anything to do with the locations of the > tasks on disk. Neither is it a sort that has been applied to the tasks. > It’s an outline and every task has its place in the outline. > > > > The outline is synched across all of your platforms. When you move a task > from one position to another in the outline, this is synched and affects > the task’s position on all of your other platforms. Try this experiment. Be > sure your desktop and mobile are fully synched (I usually do this by > synching one to the cloud, then synching the other to the cloud, the > synching the first one a second time. Now, disconnect your desktop from the > Internet (turn off all wired and wireless connections.) On the desktop, > pick a task and move it to a different place on the outline. Now, on the > mobile, pick the same task (still in its original position) and move it to > a new place different from its original place and also different from where > you put it on the desktop. This will create a synch conflict. Synch > conflict resolution works well on desktop but not mobile (yet) so we need > to sync the mobile first. Sync the mobile to the cloud, making sure that > the desktop is still disconnected from the internet. When the mobile sync > is done, connect the desktop to the internet and sync to the cloud. You > should get a “resolve sync conflict” popup. Find the task that you voved > and click on the three dots in the Details column. You will see a Task > Difference popup showing the task as it exists on local and remote. If this > has all worked, you will see a difference in the coded value used to track > the task’s location in the outline. > > > > If you are looking at a view that is showing everything in its outline > position, you are free to drag any task anywhere at any time, and the > change will be permanent across all platforms. I am not 100% sure of this > but I think that you are seeing the outline if hierarchical view is enabled > and sort is [none] with the manual sort checkbox unchecked. > > > > Many useful views are flat views (ie have hierarchy turned off) and some > field named in the sort area. These views are known to people who used > MLOv3 as to-do views. In these views, the order of the tasks has nothing to > do with the position of each task in the outline. If you drag a task to a > different position, it is now no longer where it should be according to the > selected sort, which is a problem to be solved. Two possible solutions: (1) > put the task back where the sort wants it to be, and tell you to stop > trying to move it, or (b) decide that you didn’t really want the specified > sort, you wanted to be able to move stuff around yourself, so check the > “manual sort” box, ignore the other sort parameters, and let you put the > tasks wherever you want. Sometimes when you move tasks in a flat view you > get a popup asking you if you want to go to manual sort, other times it > just quietly turns on manual sort. I’m not sure what determines which will > happen. > > > > When a view has a manual sort, you can move the tasks around and when you > come back you will find them still in the same order. I hardly ever use > manual sort so I don’t know whether or not the revised order persists only > in one workspace or whether it will appear when you open the same view in a > different workspace. I also don’t know whether or not saving a view will > help. I do know that if you have several workspaces and each workspace > contains a different manually sorted view, you can sort each workspace > differently and they will all persist separately. In other words, it is not > true that there is only one manual sort, there can be many. > > > > I have read several people saying that the manual sort in the active > starred view gets synched to mobile, so it must be true. I know that there > are other views that use manual sort on the desktop, do any of them also > exist on mobile and if so, does the manual sort sync for them as well? I > don’t know. Even more interesting, on the current IOS release you can > export a view from desktop and import it on your iPhone or iPad. If you > create a new manually sorted view on desktop and export it for import on > ios, will the sort order for this new view get synched? Again I don’t know. > > > > -Dwight > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MyLifeOrganized" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to mylifeorganized+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mylifeorganized. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/003d01d01b14%241c6e2220%24554a6660%24%40dwightarthur.us > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/mylifeorganized/003d01d01b14%241c6e2220%24554a6660%24%40dwightarthur.us?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MyLifeOrganized" group. 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