On 1 September 2010 20:27, Martin Renold <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:39:33PM +0200, Jon Nordby wrote: >> And since we now have brushset import, we could consider stripping >> down the set of brushes we ship by default, and have the rest >> available on the website. I see something like 100, in 3-5 groups as >> ideal. Currently we have 299 brushes and 11 groups... > > Hm. Will be hard to remove brushes (you always hit some that a few people > have got attached to). And with the current "each artist's toolchest" > brushgroup usage, I don't like to modify the groups too much. But you are > probably right. If nothing else, we should hide most brushes/groups a bit. >
We currently have the following groups and number of brushes: 5 artist brushsets - Deevad (28), Ico-dY (60), Ramon (68), Tanda (90 !), Tone (10) "Old" groups: experimental (23), classic (45) Special brushes groups: Tilt (9) , Ink (18) Special groups: default (will go away), favorites (0 by default) Here are my ideas about what we can do to improve the situation: Limit all shipped brushsets to 35 brushes (6*5). This ensures that the entire set is visible in a reasonably sized window, and that it is easy to find the brush you're looking for within the set. For the artist brushsets the artists themselves will need to prioritize which brushes they will include or not, but I suggest to focus on the brushes they feel are most useful (as opposed to experimental*). Ship a maximum of 2 or 3 artist brushsets. This is simply to keep the number of sets/brushes down. Ship two non-artist brushsets - one "classic" and one "experimental". Classic for the most useful brushes, experimental for the more fun,wild, and interesting ones. Tilt stuff should probably go in the second one, perhaps mostly because most people/applications don't make use of tilt. * artists can put their most experimental brushes in the experimental group, as there is likely to be some space there. Recruit an artist (or several) to improve the icons for the non-artist brushes we chose to still ship. There should be a focus on communicating what kind of brush this is, what it does, and how its different from others. Host the artist brush-sets who were in 0.8 that we chose to not ship in 0.9 on our website. Put all the non-artist brushes we drop from 0.9 in a set and host it on or website. Name it "MyPaint 0.8" or something. Thoughts? Related: Empty groups, including the favorites one, should have text saying how to make use of it. Maybe render the text to the pixbuf list area, or have it as a tooltip when hovering over the area without brushes. Or perhaps do both. >> So I personally consider that one "fixed" as I do not think >> automagically defaulting to another format on non-layered images is >> better. > > It feels a bit like forcing ORA down the throat of new users who only do > sketching without ever using layers. I'm sure they curse when they see that > their scraps were saved as ORA, a format they can't get a preview nor open > in photoshop. > I don't see the current situation as nice either, but I don't think the alternatives are good enough to justify changing current behavior. Especially since I have actually not heard users complain much about this. Yes, a considerable amount of users might be cursing so that we can't hear them, but I don't think that we go on that assumption. In the longer term the situation will hopefully be improved by thumbnailers being more widespread, and full-image fallback for OpenRaster with good viewer support. Though I guess if I want it to happen, I will probably have to do it myself... -- Regards Jon Nordby - www.jonnor.com _______________________________________________ Mypaint-discuss mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/mypaint-discuss
