[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 01:44, Jack Trout wrote: >>> >>> Sure it is. If I leave my car in your driveway with the keys in the >>> ignition and the car running and you decide to take it for a >>> "test-drive" can I report my car stolen? >>> >>> Just because they didn't put the filter on doesn't give someone the >>> justification to be able to help themselves to whatever they want. >>> They still own the content. >> >> IF you left your car on my property with the keys in it etc, I would >> still have to perform the action of entering your car and driving >> away with it. but I would be within my legal right to have it towed >> away... >> >> What I am saying is you have content being delievered to your lines >> you cannot control without performing something illegal IE climbing >> the pole and hooking up a filter that is the Cable Companies domain. >> >> If your television is passively on the wiring in your house and the >> wiring is recieving cable its a grey area, because you are not paying >> for that specifically, but you actions did not cause the cable to be >> there, if everyone is self reporting you could call the cable company >> and complain about why are these annoying channels interfering with >> your normal Snow Pattern you normally get, But if you find 20$ in >> your mail box, do you call the post office pissed off because you >> got money? >> >> Its the Cable companies job to install and block thier services >> correctly, if they dont the consumer cant be blamed, if the consumer >> has made no action to obtain these services, and has not requested >> these services. >> >> But saying we are advocating illegal actions no one has said go to >> the pole and rip the filters off, no one has said run a line from >> your neighbors house, no one has suggested running a cablebox not >> provided by the cable company, so I dont see how anyone is >> advocating illegal activity > > I understand your point, but the issue is you make the conscious > decision to take the signal that doesn't belong to you and that you > don't have rights to because you haven't paid for them. > > According to the law there are three types of lost property: > > Mislaid - I placed something somewhere and I forgot that I put it > there. Whoever finds it at this point becomes the legal caretaker of > the product until I come and claim it. They have no ownership > rights/title to it and are responsible for the upkeep of it. > > Lost - I had an item but now I cannot find it and don't know where it > is. The finder of it has legal title of it against the world to > everyone except the true owner. > > Abandoned - I had an item but now I decided I don't want it so I just > discarded it. The finder of the item has legal title of it > against the > world and the true owner. > > In this case the cable company's ownership is definitely mislaid. > Because of this you have no ownership rights or title to it > and in fact > you are responsible for making sure that it is kept in good shape and > not used an any way contrary to how the owner would want. > According to > the law you have the responsibility of telling the cable company about > the service being given to you. Once you have done this you are now > absolved from any legal wrongdoings. By not doing so you > remain liable. > > Scott
With 99 channels, how do I know which ones the cable company has 'mislaid'? I pay my bill directly from my checking account, so I don't see any paperwork in the mail stating which channels I have requested and which I have not. If I'm using MythTV, I may not even notice what channels I have. But if I'm recording something from any channel on which it is found, am I now breaking the law if it comes from one of the 'mislaid' channels? Garry W. Cook, CCNA Network Infrastructure Manager MACTEC, Inc. - http://www.mactec.com/ 303.273.5050 (Office) - 720.220.1862 (Mobile)
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