Here is Doug's response" Doug Schoon If your podiatrist was right, most people I know would have onycholysis, since most wear polish non-stop. Clearly, the podiatrist is mistaken and has made a broad general statement that is contrary to the known facts. Most doctors and/or podiatrist know very little about these products and/or services, but that doesn't stop many of them from giving their opinions. The second problem is, they usually state their uninformed opinions as if they were known "facts". I will also follow up by saying, these nail products and services are for healthy nails and nail technicians are supposed to work only on healthy nails. If the nail is not healthy, I recommend not providing services until the condition is resolved. 26 minutes ago ยท Like
I have one concern with his response, being that we "should only work on healthy nails".....which I think is a standard approach from a manufacturer/supplier perspective and I understand why they have to say that. From my perspective, down here in the trenches I often get clients who want an unsightly nail worked on to make it match the rest. There are lots of clients out there who have issues that they feel make their hands or feet unsightly and they come to me to make them look beautiful....that's part of what I do! That is not to say I work on a nail that I can see may have a fungus or some other disorder that requires treatment. So, my new question would be "What exactly is a healthy nail"......onycholysis is not unusual to see (and it's possible it's this particular client's issue), I've seen psoriasis on the nail plate (a doctor actually recomended artificial nails to deal with that), i have had many clients who have lost a nail so I build them a new one.....where do we draw the line and call it a "unhealthy nail or condition". Holly Cliffe Vancouver, BC On 2011-12-13, at 9:57 AM, Lynnette Madden wrote: > I am glad to hear that the acrylic is working for you, Deb. Wish it would do > the same for my clients' nails. She says it hurts. > Buenos dias, > Lynnette > > On Dec 13, 2011 11:59 AM, "Debbie Doerrlamm" <sa...@beautytech.com> wrote: > oh I should have said.. improvement after having acrylic on my toes for > several month to help flatten them out.. > (blaming the new Mr. Jackson on the distraction!) > Deb > > > > At 11:22 AM 12/13/2011, you wrote: >> Maureen, >> >> Not all Dr's :) My podiatrist saw the improvement in my pincher toes and >> says he will be recommending it to patients in the future :) Some are >> forward thinking, some stuck in a hole, some want to sell stuff.. >> >> Debbie D >> >> >> At 08:38 AM 12/13/2011, you wrote: >>> I have to bring up Anna's point of the decades long use of nail polish and >>> nail problems. >>> >>> I have been a nail tech some 30+ years. Before that , I manicured my mom >>> and aunt's and sisters nails all of the time with NO problem with the >>> polish separating the nail from the bed. >>> >>> Manicurists 25 years and farther back didn't have the education available >>> to them that we have now and clients didn't have all of the nail disorders >>> that they have now. I will not go into a subject that will start another >>> thread at this time so , just polish. >>> >>> With formaldehyde and toluene etc being removed polish doesn't >>> t stay on the way it used to and everyone wants the polish to dry in 1/2 >>> minute. Polish won't last, >>> >>> Now, the Dr thing. Dr's hate nail techs. I don't mean this in a literal >>> sence so please don't chop my head. Just think about this.........the dr >>> will tell almost every client I know to stop getting their nails done. >>> They don't think beyond just what they see at the moment. I question my >>> clients when or if they have a problem. The Dr will just look and form an >>> opinion. >>> >>> I didn't offer an answer, I just wanted to put in my 2 cents. >>> >>> Maureen Solan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 12/12/11, Maggie in Visalia <onykoph...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> From: Maggie in Visalia <onykoph...@yahoo.com> >>> Subject: Re: NailTech:: huh..polish causes nail separation! >>> To: "nailtech@googlegroups.com" <nailtech@googlegroups.com> >>> Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 10:58 PM >>> I think Anna has hit on the points I was planning on addressing: It seems >>> to me that nail polish in its current form has been around for several >>> decades and mulitple generations. If it was a proven fact that wearing nail >>> polish consistantly led to onycholisis, I think more people would be aware >>> of it by now. >>> >>> I fear that you have a podiatrist who is either biased against nail polish >>> for whatever reason, or is woefully misinformed about polish. >>> >>> First, I would contact the podiatrist and have a serious professional to >>> professional discussion with her. But I think you may want to consider >>> finding a different doctor to set up a referral business with. >>> >>> >>> Maggie Franklin: >>> Owner & Artist, The Art of Nailz, Visalia CA >>> "Visionary rebel dreamer; obviously way ahead of my time." >>> Maggie Rants [and Raves]@Nails Magazine >>> Facebook >>> >>> > > From: Anna Z-James <annazja...@aol.com> > To: nailtech@googlegroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 10:53 AM > Subject: Re: NailTech:: huh..polish causes nail separation! > Not exactly sure that using polish could cause any type of damage to that > degree? After centuries of using polish oddly enough most of the problems > have surfaced in the last 20 years or so. Most of the problems started > because of lack of education in cleanliness and sanitation. I agree with > Katherine unless the person is allergic I can't see where polish could cause > such horrific separation. > > Before you start to recommend your clients to this doctor I'd make sure you > all have an agreed arrangement of information that is passed on to your > clients. Mainly due in part by the fact that most people will take the > information of a doctor over yours, there causing the loss of a client to > that doctor and the services and information that is offered to them. > Best of Luck with that situation. > > Anna > Creations by Anna Z-James > www.annazjames.com > 702-927-8831 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Katherine Fahrig <polishedpana...@yahoo.com> > To: nailtech <nailtech@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Fri, Dec 9, 2011 9:21 am > Subject: Re: NailTech:: huh..polish causes nail separation! > > > My guess would be that she is talking about the 3 free polishes being the " > healthy " polish. I have not heard of nail polish of any kind causing nail > plate > separation unless it is an allergic reaction. If you want a referral > relationship with this podiatrist perhaps you can get some info printed out > from > the Internet and educate her. Show her what you do and products that you use > and > ask her what she tells her clients. Have industry printouts to back up your > products and procedures. > You know what? I think that is a good idea, I am going to do the same. I'll > post > what info I print out and where I find it. Anyone else have a "healthy > pedicure > hand book" that they have put together? Does beautytech.com have one? I will > look. > Katherine > St. Louis, MO > Sent from my iPad > On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:24 AM, holly cliffe < holly.cli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I recently referred a client to a podiatrist. I am hoping that in the New > Year I will start working with this podiatrist on a sort of internship and > then > establish a referral system with her. I referred my client because her toe > nails are separating from the nail bed, and taking on a new shape.....and it's > really bothering her. Several years ago she went through a round of > aggressive > chemo and that's when I first started noticing a difference in the nail. I > believe the problem is connected to that, I don't think there is any fungus > growing under there. > > > > The podiatrist is testing for fungus, but she advised my client that if she > > is > wearing "nail polish" all the time that this could have caused the problem, > and > mentioned that she has seen this many times before. Her recommendation was to > either stop wearing polish or go to the health food store and get some > "healthy" > polish. I believe she is talking about polishes with formaldehyde, toluene > and > DBP. So, I hadnt heard that these chemicals caused nail plate separation but > that's interesting to know. The doc said that the chemicals penetrate the nail > plate and seep into the soft tissue of the nail bed, cause this separation and > also get into the blood stream. > > > > I've used OPI, CND polishes for many years (and I believe they've been 3 > > free > for many years). These days I seldom use polish.....most toes I do are > Shellac > or gel/glitter and I believe that is also "3 free" > > > > Anyone know anything about this? > > > > Holly Cliffe > > Holly Cliffe Nail Design > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > Regards, > Debbie ^v^ ^o^ //\o/\\ ^o^ ^v^ Webmaster - System Admin > > deb...@beautytech.com > (AIM - NailGdsss, GTalk wkdwich p-631-213-1843) > Ronkonkoma, NY & Rocky Mount, VA > ONLINE STORE http://www.beautytech.com/shoppe > > www.beautytech.com for Professionals > www.beautytech.INFO for Consumers > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > > Regards, > Debbie ^v^ ^o^ //\o/\\ ^o^ ^v^ Webmaster - System Admin > > deb...@beautytech.com > (AIM - NailGdsss, GTalk wkdwich p-631-213-1843) > Ronkonkoma, NY & Rocky Mount, VA > ONLINE STORE http://www.beautytech.com/shoppe > > www.beautytech.com for Professionals > www.beautytech.INFO for Consumers > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NailTech" group. 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