So with a sheer pink a full cure? On 28 Jan 2012 19:16, "Karen Hodges" <keyzka...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> To be clear... "Sheer"... Is not what I said. I only do this with "clear" > My thinking is that anything that might block the light would interfere. > JMHO. > > KeyzKaren > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 28, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Clare Clarke <clareclark...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Thanks Karen and Angela for tour advise. So if using clear or sheer pink, > then a 'freeze' between layers, but coloured glitter gels full 2 min cure. > Thanks again. > Clare xx > On 28 Jan 2012 15:37, "Karen Hodges" <keyzka...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> For me, I consider if the light will be impeded in any way: if the layer >> going on top of this one I'm working on has any color pigment at all or if >> I'm going to add something that will block any light, then this layer >> needs to be fully cured before moving on. >> >> Thinking along these lines, if any layers I'm going to do above this one >> are crystal clear, I figure the light can penetrate and this layer will be >> fine. >> >> Working like this can save a few minutes and I have never noticed any >> undercuring breakdown. >> >> KeyzKaren >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 26, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Angela Wingerter <angiesnailstu...@att.net> >> wrote: >> >> Clare, I do not do a full two minute cure if it is a sheer and I am going >> to do more layers. Always do a full two minute cure on last coat. When I am >> using two coats of color I always do a full two minute cure for first coat >> but if I get done with second coat I go ahead and take other hand out early >> and apply the sealer top gel then a full two minute cure. Soak off gels >> might be different and require the full time on all layers. Idk so I just >> do it for them. You might want to check with the company of the gel you are >> using. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android >> >> ------------------------------ >> * From: * Clare Clarke <clareclark...@gmail.com>; >> * To: * <nailtech@googlegroups.com>; >> * Subject: * Re: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >> * Sent: * Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:15:28 PM >> >> Hi All, this is my first post and have found loads of gd info off you >> all. I live in the UK and am at college doing my nail tech course at the >> moment. >> What I want to know is; if a client wants a thick gel extension, and I >> layer it, should I be doing a full 2 min cure on each layer, or just freeze >> layer into place. As by time I have 1st polish on layer, then add another >> layer, then another, top coat. The mins add up. I also do glitter tips >> which have 2 layers, 1st polish layer, fill apex area, then clear cover >> layer, then top coat. I have been doing full cures, which add up. >> Please advise me on whether I should just be freezing and at what point >> please. >> Your experience and expertise would be a great help to me right now. >> Thank you all in advance for your advise. >> Clare :) xxx >> On 25 Jan 2012 16:57, "Katherine Fahrig" <polishedpana...@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Good to know. All these tidbits of information help me do a better job. >>> The more I understand the better nail tech I become. Thanks for sharing >>> your expertise! >>> >>> Katherine >>> St. Louis, MO >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 10:39 AM, "Erick Westcott" <er...@gelousy.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Well, yes and no. As a matter of functionality, no. In other words >>> after the prescribed cure time the nail is essentially done. It is cured >>> and should function as intended.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> But yes, it really does continue to cure. Not in any significant way >>> though. Sort of like adding a drop of water to a pool. It is not going to >>> get any stronger. We are talking about a fraction of a percent of the >>> volume of gel. Some gel will continue to crosslink for days and sometimes >>> weeks after applied. This is why the longer you leave a soak-off gel on a >>> nail the harder it will be to soak off.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> This is one of those blow it out of proportion things. I have to go and >>> make my tin foil hat now. If you want one, send a check for $32 to the >>> address below. They are fashionable and will protect you against zombie >>> mind rays.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Erick Westcott, CEO**** >>> >>> Gelousy Gel Nail Systems**** >>> >>> 1745 W Deer Valley RD STE 124**** >>> >>> Phoenix AZ 85027**** >>> >>> 602-493-9043**** >>> >>> Fax: 602-493-2544**** >>> >>> er...@gelousy.com**** >>> >>> www.gelousy.com**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* nailtech@googlegroups.com [mailto:nailtech@googlegroups.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *salo...@gmail.com >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:17 PM >>> *To:* Erick Westcott; nailtech@googlegroups.com >>> *Subject:* Re: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Erick, >>> So is the story we heard about the sun continuing to cure the gel >>> correct? >>> Lynnette >>> >>> Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide >>> >>> ----- Reply message ----- >>> From: "Erick Westcott" <er...@gelousy.com> >>> Date: Tue, Jan 24, 2012 2:43 pm >>> Subject: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >>> To: <nailtech@googlegroups.com> >>> >>> Well, It isn't really sticky layer either, but sticky layer is a quick >>> easy >>> way to explain it. Why complicate things, when sticky layer says exactly >>> what it is. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you really want to be correct, dispersion layer would indicate that >>> something was being dispersed or being distributed. I imagine that you >>> could make the stretch to say that the sticky layer was covering the >>> entire >>> nail therefore it was dispersed over the entire nail. But to disperse >>> would >>> assume that something or someone needed to disperse it in the first >>> place. >>> You do disperse the product over the nail, but the curing process does >>> not >>> disperse the sticky layer, it does not put it there. It was there from >>> the >>> beginning. >>> >>> >>> >>> If anything the correct term would be inhibition layer. The oxygen >>> molecules in the air inhibit the very top layer of gel from curing. >>> >>> >>> >>> Given enough time and exposure to UV, that sticky layer starts to cure, >>> then >>> you get a gummy really sticky layer that when wiped looks dull. >>> >>> >>> >>> Given even more time and exposure to UV, some gel will yellow and become >>> brittle, like when you kick a piece of plastic that has been out in the >>> sun >>> for years and it just falls apart. But nails becoming brittle due to >>> over >>> exposure of UV is rare, it takes a lot of photo aging to make that >>> happen. >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't think that was too personally bias. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think the "change" came about because the chemists were in the closet >>> so >>> to speak. So there were people just running around making things up >>> like, >>> "you can't over cure gel", "Polycrylic", "dispersion layer", "acrylics >>> will >>> be gone in 10 years", "gel cures cancer and tastes like strawberries". >>> But >>> now that some have come out, there is a constant battle between what was >>> said and what is correct. Even today there are people that say things >>> that >>> simply aren't correct, or they blow things so out of proportion that it >>> is >>> just silly. Seven things you MUST do in the next 10 minutes or you will >>> die >>> a horrible death in the coming zombie apocalypse. More after the break. >>> >>> >>> >>> And that is why I stick to sticky layer. >>> >>> >>> >>> Erick Westcott, CEO >>> >>> Gelousy Gel Nail Systems >>> >>> 1745 W Deer Valley RD STE 124 >>> >>> Phoenix AZ 85027 >>> >>> 602-493-9043 >>> >>> Fax: 602-493-2544 >>> >>> er...@gelousy.com >>> >>> www.gelousy.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: nailtech@googlegroups.com [mailto:nailtech@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Manicures That Last >>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:48 PM >>> To: nailtech@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you Erick, apparently you have earned the title Chem-Geek for a >>> good >>> reason ! >>> I know I use the term dispersion layer ALL the time. I will absolutely >>> stop >>> that and use the correct Sticky Reside term! >>> >>> Lorraine >>> >>> >>> At 09:15 PM 1/18/2012, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Oh I forgot... How over curing happens. >>> >>> The sticky residue (and it is NOT called a dispersion layer) starts to >>> cure >>> causing dullness when the nail is wiped. With no residue gels, over >>> curing >>> causes brittleness. >>> >>> -Erick >>> Gelousy Chemist and general bad ass. >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> >>> Subject: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >>> >>> From: Maggie in Visalia <onykoph...@yahoo.com> >>> >>> Date: Wed, January 18, 2012 6:50 pm >>> >>> To: 1Nail Tech list < nailtech@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:nailtech@googlegroups.com> > >>> >>> Ok, I need a chem-geek. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm sure it comes as no surprise to anyone who's known me (or known of >>> me) >>> for any length of time, but I'm skeptical of pretty much any information >>> that comes down the pike these days on the subject of product chemistry. >>> >>> >>> >>> A. I have to take into consideration that the experts on the subject also >>> all represent companies and products that they depend on for their >>> livelihood, not to mention are personall invested in-- I'm sure Doug >>> Schoon >>> thinks of Shellac as his personal baby, for example. So I can't think of >>> any >>> source of info on these matters that doesn't come with personal bias. >>> >>> >>> >>> B. Everything they used to tell us has changed in the last 20 years that >>> I've been listening! Seriously, I remember being told that you could NOT >>> overcure gel! That once all the polymer chains were formed, they were >>> done. >>> So continued exposure to UV light wasn't going to do anything else. >>> >>> >>> >>> It's not that I can't understand that technology changes. That maybe the >>> gel >>> technology that's primarily used in the industry today isn't the same as >>> it >>> used to be. I'm totally cool with that-- I just want someone to >>> acknowledge >>> that it changed. When did anyone say, "Well, it used to be like this, >>> see? >>> But now we use this instead and so we have these issues now...?" >>> >>> >>> >>> Ok. So anyway.... The current word is that gel CAN be over-cured. If >>> anyone >>> would care to explain to me HOW over-curing takes place, I am ALL ABOUT >>> learning! >>> >>> >>> >>> Just a day or two ago, I came across a post from Manicures That Last >>> about >>> over-curing and the example was given that you don't really need to worry >>> about over-curing until you get into 5 minute+ range. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ummmmm..... so, what happens if a nail chips? or breaks? or peels off? * >>> *** >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "NailTech" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en.**** >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "NailTech" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "NailTech" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NailTech" group. >> To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NailTech" group. >> To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NailTech" group. >> To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NailTech" group. 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