Thanks Karen and Angela for tour advise. So if using clear or sheer pink, then a 'freeze' between layers, but coloured glitter gels full 2 min cure. Thanks again. Clare xx On 28 Jan 2012 15:37, "Karen Hodges" <keyzka...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> For me, I consider if the light will be impeded in any way: if the layer > going on top of this one I'm working on has any color pigment at all or if > I'm going to add something that will block any light, then this layer > needs to be fully cured before moving on. > > Thinking along these lines, if any layers I'm going to do above this one > are crystal clear, I figure the light can penetrate and this layer will be > fine. > > Working like this can save a few minutes and I have never noticed any > undercuring breakdown. > > KeyzKaren > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 26, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Angela Wingerter <angiesnailstu...@att.net> > wrote: > > Clare, I do not do a full two minute cure if it is a sheer and I am going > to do more layers. Always do a full two minute cure on last coat. When I am > using two coats of color I always do a full two minute cure for first coat > but if I get done with second coat I go ahead and take other hand out early > and apply the sealer top gel then a full two minute cure. Soak off gels > might be different and require the full time on all layers. Idk so I just > do it for them. You might want to check with the company of the gel you are > using. > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > > ------------------------------ > * From: * Clare Clarke <clareclark...@gmail.com>; > * To: * <nailtech@googlegroups.com>; > * Subject: * Re: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions > * Sent: * Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:15:28 PM > > Hi All, this is my first post and have found loads of gd info off you > all. I live in the UK and am at college doing my nail tech course at the > moment. > What I want to know is; if a client wants a thick gel extension, and I > layer it, should I be doing a full 2 min cure on each layer, or just freeze > layer into place. As by time I have 1st polish on layer, then add another > layer, then another, top coat. The mins add up. I also do glitter tips > which have 2 layers, 1st polish layer, fill apex area, then clear cover > layer, then top coat. I have been doing full cures, which add up. > Please advise me on whether I should just be freezing and at what point > please. > Your experience and expertise would be a great help to me right now. > Thank you all in advance for your advise. > Clare :) xxx > On 25 Jan 2012 16:57, "Katherine Fahrig" <polishedpana...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> Good to know. All these tidbits of information help me do a better job. >> The more I understand the better nail tech I become. Thanks for sharing >> your expertise! >> >> Katherine >> St. Louis, MO >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 25, 2012, at 10:39 AM, "Erick Westcott" <er...@gelousy.com> wrote: >> >> Well, yes and no. As a matter of functionality, no. In other words >> after the prescribed cure time the nail is essentially done. It is cured >> and should function as intended.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> But yes, it really does continue to cure. Not in any significant way >> though. Sort of like adding a drop of water to a pool. It is not going to >> get any stronger. We are talking about a fraction of a percent of the >> volume of gel. Some gel will continue to crosslink for days and sometimes >> weeks after applied. This is why the longer you leave a soak-off gel on a >> nail the harder it will be to soak off.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> This is one of those blow it out of proportion things. I have to go and >> make my tin foil hat now. If you want one, send a check for $32 to the >> address below. They are fashionable and will protect you against zombie >> mind rays.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Erick Westcott, CEO**** >> >> Gelousy Gel Nail Systems**** >> >> 1745 W Deer Valley RD STE 124**** >> >> Phoenix AZ 85027**** >> >> 602-493-9043**** >> >> Fax: 602-493-2544**** >> >> er...@gelousy.com**** >> >> www.gelousy.com**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* nailtech@googlegroups.com [mailto:nailtech@googlegroups.com] *On >> Behalf Of *salo...@gmail.com >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:17 PM >> *To:* Erick Westcott; nailtech@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Erick, >> So is the story we heard about the sun continuing to cure the gel correct? >> Lynnette >> >> Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "Erick Westcott" <er...@gelousy.com> >> Date: Tue, Jan 24, 2012 2:43 pm >> Subject: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >> To: <nailtech@googlegroups.com> >> >> Well, It isn't really sticky layer either, but sticky layer is a quick >> easy >> way to explain it. Why complicate things, when sticky layer says exactly >> what it is. >> >> >> >> If you really want to be correct, dispersion layer would indicate that >> something was being dispersed or being distributed. I imagine that you >> could make the stretch to say that the sticky layer was covering the >> entire >> nail therefore it was dispersed over the entire nail. But to disperse >> would >> assume that something or someone needed to disperse it in the first place. >> You do disperse the product over the nail, but the curing process does not >> disperse the sticky layer, it does not put it there. It was there from >> the >> beginning. >> >> >> >> If anything the correct term would be inhibition layer. The oxygen >> molecules in the air inhibit the very top layer of gel from curing. >> >> >> >> Given enough time and exposure to UV, that sticky layer starts to cure, >> then >> you get a gummy really sticky layer that when wiped looks dull. >> >> >> >> Given even more time and exposure to UV, some gel will yellow and become >> brittle, like when you kick a piece of plastic that has been out in the >> sun >> for years and it just falls apart. But nails becoming brittle due to over >> exposure of UV is rare, it takes a lot of photo aging to make that happen. >> >> >> >> I don't think that was too personally bias. >> >> >> >> I think the "change" came about because the chemists were in the closet so >> to speak. So there were people just running around making things up like, >> "you can't over cure gel", "Polycrylic", "dispersion layer", "acrylics >> will >> be gone in 10 years", "gel cures cancer and tastes like strawberries". >> But >> now that some have come out, there is a constant battle between what was >> said and what is correct. Even today there are people that say things >> that >> simply aren't correct, or they blow things so out of proportion that it is >> just silly. Seven things you MUST do in the next 10 minutes or you will >> die >> a horrible death in the coming zombie apocalypse. More after the break. >> >> >> >> And that is why I stick to sticky layer. >> >> >> >> Erick Westcott, CEO >> >> Gelousy Gel Nail Systems >> >> 1745 W Deer Valley RD STE 124 >> >> Phoenix AZ 85027 >> >> 602-493-9043 >> >> Fax: 602-493-2544 >> >> er...@gelousy.com >> >> www.gelousy.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: nailtech@googlegroups.com [mailto:nailtech@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Manicures That Last >> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:48 PM >> To: nailtech@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >> >> >> >> Thank you Erick, apparently you have earned the title Chem-Geek for a good >> reason ! >> I know I use the term dispersion layer ALL the time. I will absolutely >> stop >> that and use the correct Sticky Reside term! >> >> Lorraine >> >> >> At 09:15 PM 1/18/2012, you wrote: >> >> >> >> Oh I forgot... How over curing happens. >> >> The sticky residue (and it is NOT called a dispersion layer) starts to >> cure >> causing dullness when the nail is wiped. With no residue gels, over curing >> causes brittleness. >> >> -Erick >> Gelousy Chemist and general bad ass. >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> >> Subject: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >> >> From: Maggie in Visalia <onykoph...@yahoo.com> >> >> Date: Wed, January 18, 2012 6:50 pm >> >> To: 1Nail Tech list < nailtech@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:nailtech@googlegroups.com> > >> >> Ok, I need a chem-geek. >> >> >> >> I'm sure it comes as no surprise to anyone who's known me (or known of me) >> for any length of time, but I'm skeptical of pretty much any information >> that comes down the pike these days on the subject of product chemistry. >> >> >> >> A. I have to take into consideration that the experts on the subject also >> all represent companies and products that they depend on for their >> livelihood, not to mention are personall invested in-- I'm sure Doug >> Schoon >> thinks of Shellac as his personal baby, for example. So I can't think of >> any >> source of info on these matters that doesn't come with personal bias. >> >> >> >> B. Everything they used to tell us has changed in the last 20 years that >> I've been listening! Seriously, I remember being told that you could NOT >> overcure gel! That once all the polymer chains were formed, they were >> done. >> So continued exposure to UV light wasn't going to do anything else. >> >> >> >> It's not that I can't understand that technology changes. That maybe the >> gel >> technology that's primarily used in the industry today isn't the same as >> it >> used to be. I'm totally cool with that-- I just want someone to >> acknowledge >> that it changed. When did anyone say, "Well, it used to be like this, see? >> But now we use this instead and so we have these issues now...?" >> >> >> >> Ok. So anyway.... The current word is that gel CAN be over-cured. If >> anyone >> would care to explain to me HOW over-curing takes place, I am ALL ABOUT >> learning! >> >> >> >> Just a day or two ago, I came across a post from Manicures That Last about >> over-curing and the example was given that you don't really need to worry >> about over-curing until you get into 5 minute+ range. >> >> >> >> Ummmmm..... so, what happens if a nail chips? or breaks? or peels off? ** >> ** >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NailTech" group. >> To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en.**** >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NailTech" group. >> To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NailTech" group. >> To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to nailtech@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nailtech+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NailTech" group. 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