Keep in mind the companies don't want to go through the hassle, it's the copyright legislation that's the foundation of all this mess.
On Sat, Aug 23, 2025, 12:57 PM Joe Greco via NANOG <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 23, 2025 at 09:31:56AM -0700, jay--- via NANOG wrote: > > On 8/23/25 08:40, nanog--- via NANOG wrote: > > >It's a basic principle of a free market that you cannot force someone > to > > >provide service. If Netflix wants to ban certain IP ranges at random, > > >they're allowed to do that and the only recourse is whining. > > > > Customers in those random IP ranges who are paying for the service would > > beg to differ. They're paying for a service which Netflix intentionally > > is refusing to provide, based on erroneous data from a third party hired > > by Netflix. > > That starts to sound vaguely like a tortious interference claim, but seeing > as how Netflix hired the third party, I think it pretty much winds up as a > "my streaming provider sucks" issue. It's not shocking that VPN providers > are capitalizing on this sort of thing, that web browsers are now coming > with VPN services integrated, and that customers have no idea what sort of > reasoning to use a VPN service is actually rational and justifiable. > > > Part of the problem is that the term "IP address" was chosen instead of > > "IP number" or "IP identifier". It leads to the false assumption that an > > "address" relates to a physical location. > > Or that an IP address uniquely identifies some particular individual? I > would hope that this sort of nonsense has been put to bed with the advent > of CGNAT and all that. Your average everyday man on the street is not > going to understand (or care about) the finer points. Heck, I've run > into network folks who don't understand how I can have servers with > adjacent addresses on opposite ends of the continent. If we're going to > talk about geolocation of IP's, perhaps we should start out with the > basic understanding that accurately identifying endpoint locations is > actually a really difficult thing to do from outside the network. As > network designers, we've failed to come up with a reasonable way to > reliably do this, which leads to an issue when Netflix acquires regional > streaming rights to content and then has to make best effort attempts to > enforce those regional boundaries. > > We might have had a shot at this with 1876, though that could still > easily be screwed up by NAT, since you can't really guarantee locality > of the endpoints behind a NAT. Plus setting up LOC records for all yer > IP's is laughably unlikely to happen, raises new privacy concerns, etc. > > ... JG > -- > Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net > "The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its > way > through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that > democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your > knowledge.'"-Asimov > _______________________________________________ > NANOG mailing list > > https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/ZSAEQFRREFND6M7LDW4BKX4K56JY24LF/ > _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/MTG4ZBOLT27UKFJHL3WVKNCCGNZZBXIQ/
