I will repeat what I have been saying since the first discussions of the
concept of ip geo-location some decades ago…
An IP address is not tied to any of the following:
Location
Person
An IP address may be transiently tied to a host. The definition of transient in
this case can vary widely from a few seconds to multiple years.
IP Addresses may be tied to an organization (though this is also usually some
level of transient).
Trying to pretend otherwise in any useful way is fraught.
Unfortunately, it is not fraught enough. It works well enough often enough that
the times it doesn’t work usually don’t impact the people monetizing it.
Owen
> On Jan 20, 2023, at 16:48, Mike Lyon <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I’ve come to the conclusion that the geo-ip feed companies don’t give a damn
> about the legitimacy of their information and don’t research any of it. They
> just wait for the end user to complain to make the change.
>
> Had one today, in fact.
>
> They’re lame.
>
> -Mike
>
>
>
>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 16:33, Jared Mauch <ja...@puck.nether.net> wrote:
>>
>> I’ve been seeing an increasing problem with IP space not having the ability
>> to be used due to the behaviors of either geolocation or worse, people
>> blocking IP space after it’s been in-use for a period of time.
>>
>> Before I go back to someone at ARIN and say “your shiny unused 4.10 IP
>> space” is non-functional and am at a place where I need to
>> start/restart/respawn the timer, I have a few questions for people:
>>
>> 1) Do you see 23.138.114.0/24 in any feeds from a security provider that say
>> it can/should be blocked? If so, I’d love to hear from you to track this
>> down. Over the new year we had some local schools start to block this IP
>> space.
>>
>> 2) many companies have geolocation feeds and services that exist and pull in
>> data. The reputable people are easy to find, there are those that are
>> problematic from time-to-time (I had a few customers leave Sling due to the
>> issues with that service).
>>
>> 3) Have you had similar issues? How are you chasing all the issues? We’ve
>> seen things from everything works except uploading check images to banks, to
>> other financial service companies block the space our customers are in. If
>> we move them to another range this solves the problem.
>>
>> 4) We do IPv6, these places aren’t IPv6 modern at all, so that’s no help.
>>
>> 5) IRR+geofeed are published of course. I’m thinking that it might be
>> worthwhile that IP space have published placeholders when it’s well
>> understood, eg: ARIN 4.9 space, I can predict what our next allocation would
>> be, it would be great to have it be pre-warmed.
>>
>> I’ve only seen a few complaints against all our IP space over time, so I
>> don’t think there’s anything malicious coming from the IP space to justify
>> it, but it’s also possible they didn’t make it through.
>>
>> If you’re with the FKA Savvis side, can you also ping me, I’d like to see if
>> you can reach out to our most recent complaint source to see if we can find
>> who is publishing this. Same if you’re with Merit or the Michigan Statewide
>> Educational Network - your teachers stopped being able to post to
>> powerschool for their students over the new year break. They’ve fed it up
>> to their tech people towards the ISD. Details available off-list.
>>
>> Any insights are welcome, and as I said, I’d like to understand where the
>> source list is as it starts out working then gradually breaks, so someone is
>> publishing things and they are going out further.
>>
>> - Jared
