> > One would also think that large OTT content providers which publish > Android and IOS apps could.... >
You said the magic word ; could. It's the natural extension of MBA Math ; If you can pay for something 'as a service' , it's going to be cheaper than paying people to develop it in house. That 'service' is usually a reasonably high percentage of 'good enough' so as not to really impact your revenue. For larger 'chunks' of problems that could be a notable revenue hit , you'll allocate some resources to work that out, but the smattering of instances here or there, sorry Charlie. On Sun, Feb 5, 2023 at 7:10 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: > One would also think that large OTT content providers which publish > Android and IOS apps could use the geolocation-permission data gathered > from the device, telemetry reported to their own internal systems to gather > their own independent data sets on where customers are geographically > located, at least as coarse to a specific metro area.. And use that to > clean up geolocation features where 3rd party IP geolocation datasets don't > match reality. > > At the smallest scale of customer count: For instance if they have many > dozens or hundreds of subscribers whose devices often sign in from the same > /24 block, *and* in which that block is not known to be cellular > carrier/MNO/MVNO IP space, *and* the devices' geolocation API data > reports they're in a certain suburb of Portland. Or even if you have > something like a smart TV in a house which has no geolocation ability/API > exposed but many of the customers' *other* devices which *do* report > geolocation API often sign in to the same account from the same > residential-last-mile-provider dhcp pool /32 address. > > The amount of telemetry data collected off an android or ios devices these > days by most consumer apps is quite comprehensive, and as we all known the > average person is extremely likely to click "Yes/accept" on any > software/interface modal popups, so the majority of the devices will not > have geolocation blocked. They already have whole teams of highly paid > software developers working on the DRM-specific code in their video > streaming apps, so clearly some use of that data is made already. > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 11:41 PM John van Oppen <j...@vanoppen.com> wrote: > >> Honestly, the only way I’ve found to fix this is completely fill it with >> subscribers off a BNG and give support a script about what to tell >> customers. >> >> >> >> I’ve had folks literally get the wrong TV channels because we assign >> unused blocks in Portland Oregon out of our parent large aggrigates and the >> geo folks have our whois address in the seattle area so give them seattle >> channels. God forbid these OTT folks just design the product right and >> use the verified billing zip code on the account or something else that >> actually is authoritative. >> >> >> >> *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+john=vanoppen....@nanog.org> *On Behalf Of *Josh >> Luthman >> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2023 1:09 PM >> *To:* Jared Mauch <ja...@puck.nether.net> >> *Cc:* nanog <nanog@nanog.org> >> *Subject:* Re: Increasing problems with geolocation/IPv4 access >> >> >> >> Every block I've gotten I just went through TheBrothersWisp geo location >> page and just had them fix their information. This includes virgin and >> re-issued blocks from ARIN. >> >> >> >> I've had a couple of random issues like Hulu thinking I'm a VPN, PSN >> blocking a /24 because a /32 failed his password too many times, and >> various streaming issues of which I tell customers to complain to the >> streaming provider because all of the other ones work. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 7:32 PM Jared Mauch <ja...@puck.nether.net> >> wrote: >> >> I’ve been seeing an increasing problem with IP space not having the >> ability to be used due to the behaviors of either geolocation or worse, >> people blocking IP space after it’s been in-use for a period of time. >> >> Before I go back to someone at ARIN and say “your shiny unused 4.10 IP >> space” is non-functional and am at a place where I need to >> start/restart/respawn the timer, I have a few questions for people: >> >> 1) Do you see 23.138.114.0/24 in any feeds from a security provider that >> say it can/should be blocked? If so, I’d love to hear from you to track >> this down. Over the new year we had some local schools start to block this >> IP space. >> >> 2) many companies have geolocation feeds and services that exist and pull >> in data. The reputable people are easy to find, there are those that are >> problematic from time-to-time (I had a few customers leave Sling due to the >> issues with that service). >> >> 3) Have you had similar issues? How are you chasing all the issues? >> We’ve seen things from everything works except uploading check images to >> banks, to other financial service companies block the space our customers >> are in. If we move them to another range this solves the problem. >> >> 4) We do IPv6, these places aren’t IPv6 modern at all, so that’s no help. >> >> 5) IRR+geofeed are published of course. I’m thinking that it might be >> worthwhile that IP space have published placeholders when it’s well >> understood, eg: ARIN 4.9 space, I can predict what our next allocation >> would be, it would be great to have it be pre-warmed. >> >> I’ve only seen a few complaints against all our IP space over time, so I >> don’t think there’s anything malicious coming from the IP space to justify >> it, but it’s also possible they didn’t make it through. >> >> If you’re with the FKA Savvis side, can you also ping me, I’d like to see >> if you can reach out to our most recent complaint source to see if we can >> find who is publishing this. Same if you’re with Merit or the Michigan >> Statewide Educational Network - your teachers stopped being able to post to >> powerschool for their students over the new year break. They’ve fed it up >> to their tech people towards the ISD. Details available off-list. >> >> Any insights are welcome, and as I said, I’d like to understand where the >> source list is as it starts out working then gradually breaks, so someone >> is publishing things and they are going out further. >> >> - Jared >> >>