This is another thing worth of "implementation" under 1.0. I'd like something like Miranda-IM has. See http://www.miranda-im.org/ and their "Addons" site.
Martin Aliger > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Martin Aliger > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:44 PM > To: 'Jay Flowers'; 'Shmarya Rubenstein'; 'Gert Driesen' > Cc: nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Nant contributions or where nant is going? > > :-) > > Well. I think the separate assemblies are worth of > discussion. For example, my recently proposed <net-transfer> > task (which could http/webdav post some file into remote > server). If I could simply make some output (say > NAnt.Contrib.NetTransfer.dll) and share it somewhere, anyone > could download it. If we provide dedicated forum, we could > share thoughts about it, etc, making feedback to further > improving the task. > > Today, asmins have to merge my code into nantcontrib project, > which takes their efforts and time. And there are plenty of > reasons they could reject the task completely which prolongs > life cycle. [in this particular case, nothing happens up to > now, but maybe I'm not in nant-contrib forum]. > > > I think this "extensions" model could give some light to > whole project. I agree with Gert, that core is pretty stable, > so we could mark it as 1.0 and leave it as is, changing only > extensions. But it could take some time for setuping > websites, forums, discussions, download areas, ... > Alternativelly we could setup every extension project as > completely new sourceforge project, but it sounds ugly to me... > > > > Also from user perspective (since we are all nant users after all): > - I personally perfere to download small assembly, copy it > into nant/bin folder and use new task > - I don't like to have nant.contib.tasks.dll with bunch of > external dependencies with lot of fancy tasks of variying matureness > - I could download just those tasks, I want to use > - If task is mature enough and merged into core, I just > delete "old" task assembly and I'm ready to use new one! > > Martin Aliger > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Jay Flowers > > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:46 PM > > To: Shmarya Rubenstein > > Cc: nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net; Gert Driesen > > Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Nant contributions or where nant is going? > > > > bleh? > > > > On 7/4/06, Shmarya Rubenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > bleh.... > > > > > > > > > On 7/4/06, Jay Flowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > We could use ILMerge.exe to merge separate project > outputs in the > > > > build process so that we get the best of both worlds. > > > > > > > > On 7/4/06, Gert Driesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Shmarya, > > > > > > > > > > This is actually something that needs further > > discussion. Right > > > > > now, NAntContrib consists of a single "extension" assembly > > > > > (NAnt.Contrib.Tasks.dll ). > > > > > > > > > > This approach makes it easier for users to deploy and > reference > > > > > the NAntContrib extensions, but introduces issues when > > we want to > > > > > allow > > > building > > > > > NAntContrib on Mono, as COM interop (for example) is > > not available > > > > > on > > > Mono. > > > > > > > > > > Splitting up the NAntContrib extension assembly into smaller > > > > > assemblies would be an option for this. The NAntContrib build > > > > > process would then > > > just > > > > > skip the build of some of these assemblies, depending on the > > > > > target framework (and/or platform). Ofcourse, creating > > a separate > > > > > extension assembly for each task that relies on a third party > > > > > library would become unmanagable (for both us and build > > authors). > > > > > > > > > > We'll first have to inform/consult the NAntContrib > > users, and then > > > > > agree > > > on > > > > > how exactly, if at all, this split-up will be done. > > > > > > > > > > About the <nunit2> task: one option would be to move > > the <nunit2> > > > > > task > > > to > > > > > NUNit cvs. But this needs more thought. Perhaps we should > > > > > introduce an <nunit-console> task that would just be a > > wrapper for > > > > > nunit-console. The advantage of this task would be > that we can > > > > > allow unit tests to run on > > > the > > > > > active target framework. > > > > > > > > > > eg. even when running NAnt on MS.NET 2.0, we'd be able > > to support > > > running > > > > > unit tests on MS.NET 1.0. > > > > > > > > > > This can ofcourse not be achieved when using the NUNit API. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Shmarya Rubenstein > > > > > To: Gert Driesen > > > > > Cc: nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 11:34 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Nant contributions or where > > nant is going? > > > > > > > > > > Hi Gert... > > > > > > > > > > If you want, I can fold the Telnet code into the > > Nant.Telnet assembly. > > > This > > > > > will get rid of the extra dependency.... > > > > > > > > > > I can create a patch, do you want udiff? > > > > > > > > > > I'm very familiar with cvs. BTW: I am one of the > developers on > > > > > NUnit, > > > and > > > > > I'd also like to take a look at updating the NUnit task.... > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Shmarya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/4/06, Gert Driesen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shmarya, > > > > > > > > > > > > I did have a look at the task you submitted, but I > > was hesitant > > > > > > to add > > > it > > > > > to NAntContrib back then, as it does add another external > > > > > dependency > > > (telnet > > > > > library). But for NAntContrib this is not really an > > issue, I guess. > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you be willing to create a patch against > > NAntContrib cvs ? > > > > > > If > > > the > > > > > patch checks out fine, I'll either commit it myself > or give you > > > permissions > > > > > to commit it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you familiar with cvs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Gert > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Shmarya Rubenstein > > > > > > To: Gert Driesen > > > > > > Cc: nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 11:22 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Nant contributions or where > > nant is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suggestion: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you give a list of open issues that are up > > for grabs > > > > > > and let > > > > > people pick something to try? > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: I tried to submit a task to nant-contrib a while back > > > > > > (telnet > > > task) > > > > > and got zero response after a number of mails to the lists... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/3/06, Gert Driesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > [mailto: > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Flex > > > > > > > > Sent: maandag 3 juli 2006 11:10 > > > > > > > > To: Gert Driesen; > > > > > nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [nant-dev] Nant contributions or > > where nant is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, thanks for the answer, I was about to get > > desperate ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you clear this one: > > > > > > > > > We definitely have a lack of contributors. > With this I'm > > > > > > > > not talking about > > > > > > > > > people that post new tasks, but we need developers & > > > > > > > > designers for improving > > > > > > > > > the NAnt core. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NAnt core is indeed pretty stable, but it could > > always do > > > > > > > > > with > > > some > > > > > > > > > performance improvements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... first one says core needs work, tasks later, > > while the > > > > > > > > second - core is ready, only some optimizations > left? IMO > > > > > > > > getting the system rich in functionality is more > > important > > > > > > > > than letting the build finish > > > > > > > > 2 seconds > > > > > > > > earlier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not saying that new tasks cannot be added, but > > they should > > > > > > > first > > > be > > > > > > > added to NAntContrib. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just think that there's less need for task > developers (as > > > > > > > users > > > tend > > > > > to > > > > > > > contribute these), but we need more developers that > > master the > > > > > > > NAnt > > > core > > > > > > > source code, so we can kill some of the open bugs > > and improve > > > > > > > in > > > areas > > > > > where > > > > > > > we currently only offer poor solutions (eg. lack of input > > > > > > > framework, > > > bad > > > > > XML > > > > > > > schema generation, ...). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, we never reject an offer for help: if > you're more > > > interested > > > > > in > > > > > > > developing new tasks, then we'd be glad to accept you as > > > > > > > developer > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > NAntContrib project (to start from). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're definitely not gonna get hanged. We > > welcome all feedback! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you volunteering to become part of the > > NAntContrib team ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are, first start by submitting patches to the > > > > > > > > NAntContrib developer > > > > > > > > > list for review. If your patches meet our > quality level, > > > > > > > > we'll make you a > > > > > > > > > member of the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After that, you can dive into the NAnt codebase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have used nant as an excuse to start C# programming, > > > > > > > > always wanted to gather some experience in it, > > but haven't > > > > > > > > found the right project > > > to > > > > > > > > work on. So I'm complete newbie, C# knowledge > for 2 days, > > > > > > > > and no matter how much I pay attention to write > > clean code, > > > > > > > > I'm sure it is far > > > from > > > > > > > > good at this point, so unless I get more > > experienced it is > > > > > > > > best not to mess with the core. > > > > > > > > While I may not be worth for a member of nant-contrib > > > > > > > > because I'm overloaded with projects and deadlines, I'm > > > > > > > > completely open to submitting new/modified tasks to > > > > > > > > nant-contrib, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That would be great. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do what I > > > > > > > > need and can > > > > > > > > submit with a hope it will be useful for the > rest too. 2 > > > > > > > > things bothers me here: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. The personal opinion of what is good. For > example I'm > > > > > > > > doing some task with 3 attributes, okay I make it > > exactly as > > > > > > > > I need it and submit. If it is accepted, it will > > become part > > > > > > > > of the nant-contrib. > > > > > > > > However, since the > > > > > > > > tasks fills my needs, to become useful to the public it > > > > > > > > needs attrib 1 to be changed to accept different > > values and > > > > > > > > 2 more to be added. > > > This > > > > > > > > leads to deprecated attribute at best which is > > not good. At > > > > > > > > worse, the whole task has to be redesigned to > > have the same > > > > > > > > or better functionality while suits the others > too. Idea: > > > > > > > > board where users can discuss > > > new > > > > > > > > tasks or task enchantments so they can be made > right from > > > > > > > > the > > > first > > > > > > > > time? Mailing lists are quite bad for this purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I prefer reaching a large audience, as changes > > often impact a > > > > > > > large > > > > > number > > > > > > > of users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. What is good and bad for nant-contrib, i.e. > > will <taskX> > > > > > > > > be accepted? > > > > > > > > For example I saw no UI tasks anywhere, nothing but a > > > > > > > > commandline. Since I'm converting my build > > systems (based of > > > > > > > > bat files & support > > > > > > > > programs) > > > > > > > > I miss some stuff, i.e. warning messages which I > > can choose > > > > > > > > to ignore or stop the build, a nice UI with > some project > > > > > > > > information giving me > > > the > > > > > > > > possibility to alter some settings and select > the way it > > > > > > > > should go from there, etc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's (almost) no limit to the types of tasks that are > > > > > > > accepted > > > for > > > > > > > NAntContrib. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Criteria for NAnt are much stricter, but not > > clearly outlined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gert > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web > > > > > > > services, > > > > > security? > > > > > > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated > > technology to make > > > > > > > your > > > job > > > > > easier > > > > > > > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 > based on > > > > > > > Apache > > > > > Geronimo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=1216 > > > 42 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > nant-developers mailing list > > > > > > > nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Shmarya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://idp.shmarya.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web > > services, > > > security? > > > > > > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated > technology to make > > > > > > your job > > > > > easier > > > > > > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on > > > > > > Apache > > > Geronimo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=1216 > > > 42 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > nant-developers mailing list > > > > > > nant-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nant-developers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Shmarya > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://idp.shmarya.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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