Keith Moore wrote:
I've been personally writing apps that had to deal with NAT brain-damage
for 15 years. The opinions of your Berkeley professors and "IT security"
colleagues don't mean jack.

And I appreciate those apps.  I especially appreciate the stateful NAT
implementations by Cisco and Juniper.  But what you're proposing,
deprecating NAT, is fundamentally different.

What apps are we talking about anyhow?  P2P or anything depending on SIP
or SCTP?  There's no business case for allowing those apps or protocols
to establish stateless inbound connections anywhere in my network.

Roger Marquis
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