On Oct 28, 2010, at 12:29 AM, Roger Marquis wrote: > Keith Moore wrote: >> There's nothing special about P2P apps. The idea that all apps should >> communicate through some central server is myopic in the extreme. That kind > > So you are talking about P2P then.
I have no idea what you mean by P2P, and I suspect, neither do you. But no, most of these apps wouldn't have been considered P2P apps. They generally did have some form of central coordination, but having a central server participate in communications between nodes would have been totally unacceptable from both a performance and reliability perspective. (hint: many of the apps I worked on were involved in large-scale and/or fault-tolerant distributed computing) > Please make the business case for my company's allowing your P2P app to > establish inbound connections without NAT? > Without those specifics your assertions have no identifiable logic. I don't give a damn about your company or its network. They are irrelevant to this discussion. It's your choice whether you want to run any particular app or not. If you think there's something inherently wrong with P2P apps, you're deluded. But hey, it's your business. If you refuse to use tools that might be useful to you because you have some sort of uninformed prejudice against P2P, that's your choice and your business can suffer accordingly. Survival of the fittest and all that. It's still irrelevant to this discussion. >> You're free to run (or prohibit) what you like on your own network, but your >> idea of what makes a good business case for your network has no bearing on >> whether IETF should endorse the use of NATs. Especially since use of NATs >> to enforce security is poor practice. > > It's not my business case but the business case of just about every non-ISP > and non-carrier connected to the Internet. There's a lot of bad advice going around masquerading as conventional wisdom. I can't help that, but I'm not going to pretend that I suffer from the same delusions just for the sake of making delusional people feel better. Keith _______________________________________________ nat66 mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nat66
