We already known your and your master's opinion. The problem is neither
you, nor him do not do any transfers... There is none of your resources
or transfers, but you speak like all of them are yours.
P.S. Olexandr Fedienko have just filled in parliament a new Ukrainian
law draft to deny ukrainian ISPs to do IP transfers. "Just because". It
looks very funny, but it does not.
05.12.22 20:49, Олена Кушнір пише:
Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga
I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with
Russians, who might force IP
holders to make unlawful transfers."
Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an email
address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact on people,
because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled territories.
Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change every day.
I must also remind you _that open company registries are not available_
during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible to check the
legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions.
Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work.
And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war.
_______________
Best regards,
Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> написав(ла):
Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address
transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled
territories.
But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any
accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85
meeting.
It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to
counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the
danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity
outages, which cause absence of water and heating.
But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP
holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous
discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled
territory does more harm than good.
Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
Kind regards,
Olha Sira
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community
discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian
networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at RIPE
85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the following
points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian networks
until a better solution can be found
- Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to lock
their resources and prevent them from being transferred for a set
period of time
- The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without going
through the policy development process, especially as policy changes
will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP even if there is
unanimous support
- Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more active
role in terms of approving registry updates
- The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the
mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian
networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of
course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when
reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I
think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the
seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the advantage of
being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC staff are
currently investigating additional short-term measures and we will
update you on our next steps after these have been discussed with the
Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the
mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen
Managing Director
RIPE NCC
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