Indeed.
There are a lot of countries never had open online company register. And
transfers works with them well.
06.12.22 13:21, Olha Sira пише:
Dear Olena,
I am speaking about controlled territories and entities that registered
on the controlled territories. You are aware that borders of the
occupied territories change slightly near the front line, but a big part
of the country isn't affected by direct contact with Russians. I am
sorry, but it looks like you are trying to misrepresent information
about the general situation in Ukraine and get an advantage from that
situation in our country. You mention horror and violence in
uncontrolled territories, which is an obvious fact. But you are using
this fact to convince RIPE NCC to keep blocking the transfers for the
rest of Ukraine, which isn't occupied.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:50 PM Олена Кушнір <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Good afternoon, Dear Colleagues and Olga
I don't agree with you about " But there isn't direct contact with
Russians, who might force IP
holders to make unlawful transfers."
Contact can be with people in the occupied territories through an
email address. There are quite a few arguments for physical impact
on people, because horrors and violence occur in uncontrolled
territories.
Also, the borders of occupied and unoccupied territories change
every day.
I must also remind you _that open company registries are not
available_ during wartime. That is why it is technically impossible
to check the legitimacy of the signatory when making transactions.
Yes, the open _company registries are not available _at the moment. But
the solution has been introduced. I wouldn't be so categoretic that a
legitimacy of the signatory is impossible to check.
Thanks to the RIPE NCC team for their work.
And we support temporary blocking of IP- transfers during the war.
_______________
Best regards,
Olena Kushnir
www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
5 груд. 2022 р. о 12:24 Olha Sira <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> написав(ла):
Dear Hans Petter Holen and Colleagues,
It was an extremely good and balanced decision to continue IP address
transfers for companies based on Ukrainian Government-controlled
territories.
But it looks like a hidden ban exists. There haven't been any
accomplished transfers for Ukrainian IP holders since the RIPE 85
meeting.
It leads to problems with the fulfillment of obligations to
counterparties and creates barriers in operating activities.
Please note, that for Ukrainian Government-controlled territory the
danger and difficulties are rockets and drone attacks and electricity
outages, which cause absence of water and heating.
But there isn't direct contact with Russians, who might force IP
holders to make unlawful transfers. As was written in the previous
discussion, blocking transfers for the Ukrainian Government-controlled
territory does more harm than good.
Your comprehension are greatly appreciated.
Kind regards,
Olha Sira
On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 3:26 PM Hans Petter Holen
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
At last week’s RIPE 85 meeting in Belgrade, the RIPE community
discussed ways to further protect the resources of Ukrainian
networks. I want to provide a brief summary of what we heard at
RIPE 85 and outline what we will be doing next.
At the meeting, there seemed to be general support for the
following points:
- Apply a temporary freeze on all transfers from Ukrainian
networks until a better solution can be found
- Implement a way for members concerned that they are at risk to
lock their resources and prevent them from being transferred for
a set period of time
- The RIPE NCC should be able to act on urgent matters without
going through the policy development process, especially as
policy changes will take several months to complete the RIPE PDP
even if there is unanimous support
- Ukrainian operators do not want government to take a more
active role in terms of approving registry updates
- The RIPE NCC should move on this matter with urgency
However, we do note that there have been further comments on the
mailing lists arguing against a blanket freeze on transfers.
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian
networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of
course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when
reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay,
which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and
given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
This should be seen as a temporary measure which has the
advantage of being something we can apply straight away. RIPE NCC
staff are currently investigating additional short-term measures
and we will update you on our next steps after these have been
discussed with the Executive Board.
We will continue to follow all discussions that take place on the
mailing lists in the meantime.
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen
Managing Director
RIPE NCC
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