[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Bill,
> 
> I didn't miss Ron's point.  I simply don't agree.  The insanity noise aside, I
> think that the majority of software development organizations are suffering
> through ineffective waterfall or code-and-fix processes.  I think that those 
> of
> us who have had the opportunity to experience agile processes know that there 
> is
> a better way.  I am trying to understand how to better communicate that to our
> less fortunate brothers and sisters.  If you can contribute to that goal, I
> would like to hear what you have to say.

I don't mean to be rude, but have you looked around? The whole damn 
mailing list has been asking that exact question since its inception. 
The tone of your question suggests that we're not trying to move in that 
direction, which couldn't be further from the truth. There's only so 
many times I can stand revisiting the same old questions being asked by 
people who think they're the first to ask them.
-- 
J. B. (Joe) Rainsberger
Diaspar Software Services
http://www.diasparsoftware.com
Author, JUnit Recipes: Practical Methods for Programmer Testing


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