On 11/10/2018 11:21, Martin Bjorklund wrote:
Andy Bierman <a...@yumaworks.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:39 PM, Martin Bjorklund <m...@tail-f.com> wrote:

Andy Bierman <a...@yumaworks.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Reshad Rahman (rrahman) <
rrah...@cisco.com>
wrote:

On 2018-10-10, 9:59 AM, "netmod on behalf of Martin Bjorklund" <
netmod-boun...@ietf.org on behalf of m...@tail-f.com> wrote:

     Ladislav Lhotka <lho...@nic.cz> wrote:
     > Martin Bjorklund <m...@tail-f.com> writes:
     >
     > > Hi,
     > >
     > > While reviewing restconf-notif, I saw this example:
     > >
     > >    {
     > >       "ietf-subscribed-notifications:input": {
     > >          "stream": "NETCONF",
     > >          "stream-xpath-filter": "/ds:foo/",
     > >          "dscp": "10"
     > >       }
     > >    }
     > >
     > > Note the "stream-xpath-filter".  It has a prefix in the XPath
string.
     > > How are prefixes declared when JSON is used?
     > >
     > > The leaf "stream-xpath-filter" says:
     > >
     > >               o  The set of namespace declarations are those in
scope on
     > >                  the 'stream-xpath-filter' leaf element.
     > >
     > > (I think I provided that text...)
     > >
     > > This assumes that the encoding is XML, or at leas that the
encoding
     > > can somehow transfer namespace declarations.
     >
     > It can't. There are two options:
     >
     > 1. have different representations of this value in XML and JSON,
     >    analogically to instance indentifiers (sec. 6.11 in RFC 7951).
     >
     > 2. use a module name rather than a prefix in XML, too.
     >
     > I would suggest #2.
<RR> But that means making non-backwards compatible change to the XML
representation?

Not really. It means NETMOD WG would be creating its own special variant
of
XPath.
Not at all.  What I propose is perfectly fine, legal XPath 1.0.

XPath 1.0 says that an XPath expression is evaluated in a context.
One item in the context is a set of mappings from <prefix> to <uri>,
where <prefix> is used to lookup prefixes used in the XPath
expression, e.g. in "/foo:interfaces" "foo" is the prefix.

It is perfectly fine to say that the prefix mapping set is this:

    "ietf-interfaces" -> "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-interfaces"
    "ietf-ip"         -> "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-ip"

and use that to evaluate the expression

   /ietf-interfaces:interfaces/ietf-interfaces:interface/ietf-ip/ipv4



The XPath expression is normally parsed within an XML instance document.
There are "xmlns" attributes present that map the prefix to a namespace URI.
These mappings will not be present in the JSON at all.

A custom XPath implementation is required to magically identify the prefix
as a module name and magically find the namespace URI for the module
name.
I disagree.  You need an XPath implementation + custom code to set up
the environment.
This is OK, but can we just use the JSON encoding instance identifier format exactly?  I.e .RFC 7951 section 6.11.

So "/ietf-interfaces:interfaces/interface/ietf-ip:ipv4/enabled"

can trivially be expanded to:

"/ietf-interfaces:interfaces/ietf-interfaces:interface/ietf-ip:ipv4/ietf-ip:enabled",

and then interpreted with the context:
"ietf-interfaces" -> "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-interfaces"
   "ietf-ip"         -> "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-ip"

Thanks,
Rob

There is no standard XPath implementation that can just take an XML
instance document + YANG module and figure out what to do.  Custom
code is needed to connect things together.  This proposal doesn't
change this.


/martin


A normal XPath implementation will not find any namespace mapping for the
prefixes.

An XPath expression has no concept of the "current module" inherited from
the parent
like the JSON encoding. This is problematic for predicates

    /ietf-interfaces:interfaces/interface[name='eth0']

XPath says the missing prefixes for 'interface' and 'name' are simply
missing (no namespace).
The JSON encoding says "ietf-interfaces" is used for 'interfaces'. and
'interface'.
There is no specification for the 'name' node inside a predicate.

So you must mean the full module name will be used at every node:

  
/ietf-interfaces:interfaces/ietf-interfaces:interface[ietf-interfaces:name='eth0']



/martin


Andy



     Hmm, so you mean change the leaf "stream-xpath-filter" to say:

              o  The set of namespace declarations has one member for
each
                 YANG module supported by the server.  This member maps
                 from the YANG module name to the YANG module namespace.

                 This means that in the XPath expression, the module
name
                 serves as the prefix.

     .... and then also give an example of this.

     This is probably what we need to do in all places where
yang:xpath1.0
     is used, going forward.  Maybe even define a new type
     yang:xpath1.0-2 (name?) with the set of namespace declarations
     built-in.


We should avoid making off-the-shelf implementations of standards like
XPath unusable.
At the very least this should be only available if the server supports it
(with a capability URI)



<RR> So we need an update to RFC7951?

Regards,
Reshad.


Andy


     /martin





     >
     > Lada
     >
     > >
     > > How is this supposed to work with JSON?
     > >
     > >
     > > /martin
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