If you liked the invasion of Ukraine, you love the Russian invasion when it comes to Beograd.
> On Mar 17, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Miro Visic <mirow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > So nettime turned into NATO shit list. > >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 09:48 <nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org> wrote: >> Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to >> nettime-l@mail.kein.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nettime-l-ow...@mail.kein.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nettime-l digest..." >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Irregular Ukraine Linklist (Ted Byfield) >> 2. Re: Irregular Ukraine Linklist (Stefan Heidenreich) >> 3. More Ukraine links (Michael Benson) >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Ted Byfield <tedbyfi...@gmail.com> >> To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 07:05:58 -0400 >> Subject: Re: <nettime> Irregular Ukraine Linklist >> On 16 Mar 2022, at 4:45, Stefan Heidenreich wrote: >> >> > add this: Former senior advisor the Secretary of Defense Col. Doug >> > Macgregor on the situation in Ukraine and Washington: >> >> It seems strange to see this on nettime. >> >> Macgregor is a Putin apologist who's called Zelensky a "puppet," accused him >> of using the Ukrainian people as "human shields," described the wanton >> destruction as "surprisingly little damage," and argued that the Russian >> military should have been *more* violent in the opening days of the war. >> He's a fixture on Fox News because he makes hosts like Tucker Carlson sound >> moderate. >> >> The Secretary of Defense that Macgregor advised (for a few months) was Chris >> Miller, who Trump installed just days after losing the election as part of a >> larger purge of mil/intel leadership. There's good reason to think that >> Macgregor actively involved in Trump’s attempted coup. >> >> From Wikipedia on Macgregor’s failed nomination (by Trump) to be ambassador >> to Germany: >> >> > He has asserted that Muslim immigrants (referred to as "Muslim invaders") >> > come to Europe "with the goal of eventually turning Europe into an Islamic >> > state". Macgregor has argued that the German concept of >> > Vergangenheitsbewältigung, used to cope with Germany's Nazi past and its >> > atrocities during World War II, is a "sick mentality." Macgregor has also >> > stated that martial law should be instituted on the U.S.-Mexico border and >> > argued for the extrajudicial execution of those who cross the border at >> > unofficial ports of entry. Macgregor has also made statements in support >> > of Israel having defensible borders, the annexation of the Golan Heights, >> > and the decision to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem. In a column in The >> > Washington Post he was described as "a racist crackpot who is pro-Russia, >> > anti-Merkel, anti-Muslim and anti-Mexican." >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor?wprov=sfti1 >> >> Admittedly, Wikipedia is a problematic source — in this case because it >> understates Macgregor's extremism. His view that Ukraine should serve as a >> "neutral" buffer between NATO/EU and RU is consistent with his advocacy for >> summary executions of undocumented migrants at the US/Mex border: he doesn't >> like change, and he's happy to exchange others' lives en masse to prevent it. >> >> Your suggestion that the INC should add some random rightist-noise YT video >> to their list of practical Ukraine resources seems a bit...tone-deaf? >> >> Ted >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Stefan Heidenreich <m...@stefanheidenreich.de> >> To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 12:50:48 +0100 >> Subject: Re: <nettime> Irregular Ukraine Linklist >> Hi Ted, I'm totally with you on one point: Macgregor is very doubtful >> and uttered a lot of terrible political nonsense. He comes from >> military, after all. I also detest his political views. >> >> But: what if his assessment of the military situation on the ground and >> of the political situation in Washington DC is correct? >> >> Could it be, that, following a progressive-liberal flag, we've been led >> by the military-industrial complex and the donor class into a hellhole? >> I think it definitely merits to give a second thought to his possibility. >> >> The issue at stake is: >> - how can we terminate this war as quickly as possible? >> - how can we save Europa from being turned into the battlefield between >> NATO and Russia/China? >> (Maybe not by following the calls of the military-complex fake liberalism) >> >> for that matter: if there is only a glimpse of truth in what Macgregor >> says, one should think very careful about whom and what to support. >> >> s >> >> Am 16.03.2022 um 12:05 schrieb Ted Byfield: >> > On 16 Mar 2022, at 4:45, Stefan Heidenreich wrote: >> > >> >> add this: Former senior advisor the Secretary of Defense Col. Doug >> >> Macgregor on the situation in Ukraine and Washington: >> > >> > It seems strange to see this on nettime. >> > >> > Macgregor is a Putin apologist who's called Zelensky a "puppet," accused >> > him of using the Ukrainian people as "human shields," described the wanton >> > destruction as "surprisingly little damage," and argued that the Russian >> > military should have been *more* violent in the opening days of the war. >> > He's a fixture on Fox News because he makes hosts like Tucker Carlson >> > sound moderate. >> > >> > The Secretary of Defense that Macgregor advised (for a few months) was >> > Chris Miller, who Trump installed just days after losing the election as >> > part of a larger purge of mil/intel leadership. There's good reason to >> > think that Macgregor actively involved in Trump’s attempted coup. >> > >> > From Wikipedia on Macgregor’s failed nomination (by Trump) to be >> > ambassador to Germany: >> > >> >> He has asserted that Muslim immigrants (referred to as "Muslim invaders") >> >> come to Europe "with the goal of eventually turning Europe into an >> >> Islamic state". Macgregor has argued that the German concept of >> >> Vergangenheitsbewältigung, used to cope with Germany's Nazi past and its >> >> atrocities during World War II, is a "sick mentality." Macgregor has also >> >> stated that martial law should be instituted on the U.S.-Mexico border >> >> and argued for the extrajudicial execution of those who cross the border >> >> at unofficial ports of entry. Macgregor has also made statements in >> >> support of Israel having defensible borders, the annexation of the Golan >> >> Heights, and the decision to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem. In a >> >> column in The Washington Post he was described as "a racist crackpot who >> >> is pro-Russia, anti-Merkel, anti-Muslim and anti-Mexican." >> > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor?wprov=sfti1 >> > >> > Admittedly, Wikipedia is a problematic source — in this case because it >> > understates Macgregor's extremism. His view that Ukraine should serve as a >> > "neutral" buffer between NATO/EU and RU is consistent with his advocacy >> > for summary executions of undocumented migrants at the US/Mex border: he >> > doesn't like change, and he's happy to exchange others' lives en masse to >> > prevent it. >> > >> > Your suggestion that the INC should add some random rightist-noise YT >> > video to their list of practical Ukraine resources seems a bit...tone-deaf? >> > >> > Ted >> > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >> > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org >> > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >> > >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Michael Benson <kinpix2...@gmail.com> >> To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 09:46:42 -0400 >> Subject: <nettime> More Ukraine links >> Emergency funding to Ukrainian journalists (administered by independent UA >> news outlet Zaborna Media) >> https://2402.org/#donate >> >> Ukrainian Red Cross >> https://donate.redcrossredcrescent.org/ua/donate/~my-donation?_cv=1 >> >> Razom, an organization providing humanitarian relief in Ukraine >> https://razomforukraine.org/razom-emergency-response/ >> >> Support independent Russian reporters through Meduza, operating from Riga >> https://support.meduza.io/en >> >> Homo Faber, Polish NGO helping house and feed Ukrainian refugees from Lublin >> http://hf.org.pl/ao/index.php?id=2565 >> >> Twitter lists >> >> Anglophone Russia (Russia experts and correspondents) >> https://twitter.com/i/lists/43845512 >> >> 2022 Ukraine Crises (diplomats, analysts, etc) >> https://twitter.com/i/lists/1494877848087187461 >> >>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 at 07:00, <nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org> wrote: >>> Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to >>> nettime-l@mail.kein.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> nettime-l-ow...@mail.kein.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of nettime-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Irregular Ukraine Linklist (Geert Lovink) >>> 2. Re: Irregular Ukraine Linklist (Stefan Heidenreich) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 09:08:10 +0100 >>> From: Geert Lovink <ge...@xs4all.nl> >>> To: a moderated mailing list for net criticism >>> <nettime-l@mail.kein.org> >>> Subject: <nettime> Irregular Ukraine Linklist >>> Message-ID: <b991a5c2-a648-47e4-b9a7-7dbe7fabf...@xs4all.nl> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Compiled for/by INC Ukraine page and more tech meets tactical media >>> initiatives >>> https://networkcultures.org/blog/category/ukraine/ >>> <https://networkcultures.org/blog/category/ukraine/> >>> >>> Donation campaign for Ukranian media >>> https://www.gofundme.com/f/keep-ukraines-media-going >>> <https://www.gofundme.com/f/keep-ukraines-media-going> >>> >>> Send text messages from your phones directly to randomly selected Russians >>> https://1920.in/ <https://1920.in/> >>> >>> Via INURA (thanks to Patrice): >>> https://urbanpolitical.podigee.io/49-ukrainian_cities_at_war >>> <https://urbanpolitical.podigee.io/49-ukrainian_cities_at_war> >>> >>> Contacts for Ukrainians (via Janos Sugar) >>> https://www.contactsforukrainians.art/ >>> <https://www.contactsforukrainians.art/> >>> >>> Tools for communicating offline and in difficult circumstance (via Maja van >>> der Velden) >>> https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10356-tools-for-communicating-offline-and-in-difficult-circumstances >>> >>> <https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10356-tools-for-communicating-offline-and-in-difficult-circumstances> >>> >>> Liberal-conservative America discussing China?s role: Kaiser Kuo in >>> conversation with Evan Feigenbaum (via Ned Rossiter) >>> https://supchina.com/2022/03/09/china-tries-to-square-a-circle-in-ukraine/ >>> <https://supchina.com/2022/03/09/china-tries-to-square-a-circle-in-ukraine/> >>> >>> Online Russian Anti-War Petitions collection: ?In the name of the >>> Russian people, but against our will?: Russian voices against Russia?s >>> war in Ukraine: >>> https://medium.com/@dina.gusejnova/in-the-name-of-the-russian-people-but-against-our-will-russian-voices-against-russias-war-in-90ee7e3ca3f8 >>> >>> <https://medium.com/@dina.gusejnova/in-the-name-of-the-russian-people-but-against-our-will-russian-voices-against-russias-war-in-90ee7e3ca3f8> >>> >>> Links from Micheal Dieter: >>> >>> Recording of 'Ukrainian Dispatch - Solidarity as Cultural Praxis >>> during Wartime' event at bbk berlin, March 14th 2022 - Panelists / >>> Speakers: Vasyl Cherepanyn (director of the Visual Culture Research >>> Center (VCRC, Kyiv), Nikita Kadan (artist), Maria Isserlis (curator), >>> Marina Naprushkina (artist, founder of Neue Nachbarschaft/ Moabit), >>> Clemens von Wedemeyer (artist Berlin). >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPMYU-COIik >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPMYU-COIik> >>> >>> Institute of Strategic Dialogue (ISD) report, Support from the >>> Conspiracy Corner: German-Language Disinformation about the Russian >>> Invasion of Ukraine on Telegram: >>> https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispatches/support-from-the-conspiracy-corner-german-language-disinformation-about-the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-on-telegram/ >>> >>> <https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispatches/support-from-the-conspiracy-corner-german-language-disinformation-about-the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-on-telegram/> >>> >>> Report on Websites Blocked in Russia Since Ukraine Invasion: >>> https://www.top10vpn.com/research/websites-blocked-in-russia/ >>> <https://www.top10vpn.com/research/websites-blocked-in-russia/> >>> >>> Global VPN use, live tracker - Russia: VPN demand increase: 2,088% >>> (peak), Dates: February 24-March 13; Ukraine: VPN demand increase: >>> 609% (peak); Dates: February 15-March 9 - >>> https://www.top10vpn.com/research/vpn-demand-statistics/ >>> <https://www.top10vpn.com/research/vpn-demand-statistics/> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <http://mx.kein.org/pipermail/nettime-l/attachments/20220316/9a434556/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 09:45:31 +0100 >>> From: Stefan Heidenreich <m...@stefanheidenreich.de> >>> To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org >>> Subject: Re: <nettime> Irregular Ukraine Linklist >>> Message-ID: >>> <6dae2328-e7bd-fd51-dd8a-8d8376b02...@stefanheidenreich.de> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >>> >>> add this: Former senior advisor the Secretary of Defense Col. Doug >>> Macgregor on the situation in Ukraine and Washington: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFngc_8RiVc >>> >>> >>> Am 16.03.2022 um 09:08 schrieb Geert Lovink: >>> > Compiled for/by INC Ukraine page and more tech meets tactical media >>> > initiatives >>> > https://networkcultures.org/blog/category/ukraine/ >>> > <https://networkcultures.org/blog/category/ukraine/> >>> > >>> > Donation campaign for Ukranian media >>> > https://www.gofundme.com/f/keep-ukraines-media-going >>> > <https://www.gofundme.com/f/keep-ukraines-media-going> >>> > >>> > Send text messages from your phones directly to randomly selected Russians >>> > https://1920.in/ <https://1920.in/> >>> > >>> > Via INURA (thanks to Patrice): >>> > https://urbanpolitical.podigee.io/49-ukrainian_cities_at_war >>> > <https://urbanpolitical.podigee.io/49-ukrainian_cities_at_war> >>> > >>> > Contacts for Ukrainians (via Janos Sugar) >>> > https://www.contactsforukrainians.art/ >>> > <https://www.contactsforukrainians.art/> >>> > >>> > Tools for communicating offline and in difficult circumstance (via Maja >>> > van der Velden) >>> > https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10356-tools-for-communicating-offline-and-in-difficult-circumstances >>> > >>> > <https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10356-tools-for-communicating-offline-and-in-difficult-circumstances> >>> > >>> > Liberal-conservative America discussing China?s role: Kaiser Kuo in >>> > conversation with Evan Feigenbaum (via Ned Rossiter) >>> > https://supchina.com/2022/03/09/china-tries-to-square-a-circle-in-ukraine/ >>> > >>> > <https://supchina.com/2022/03/09/china-tries-to-square-a-circle-in-ukraine/> >>> > >>> > Online Russian Anti-War Petitions collection: ?In the name of the >>> > Russian people, but against our will?: Russian voices against Russia?s >>> > war in Ukraine: >>> > https://medium.com/@dina.gusejnova/in-the-name-of-the-russian-people-but-against-our-will-russian-voices-against-russias-war-in-90ee7e3ca3f8 >>> > >>> > <https://medium.com/@dina.gusejnova/in-the-name-of-the-russian-people-but-against-our-will-russian-voices-against-russias-war-in-90ee7e3ca3f8> >>> > >>> > Links from Micheal Dieter: >>> > >>> > Recording of 'Ukrainian Dispatch - Solidarity as Cultural Praxis >>> > during Wartime' event at bbk berlin, March 14th 2022 - Panelists / >>> > Speakers: Vasyl Cherepanyn (director of the Visual Culture Research >>> > Center (VCRC, Kyiv), Nikita Kadan (artist), Maria Isserlis (curator), >>> > Marina Naprushkina (artist, founder of Neue Nachbarschaft/ Moabit), >>> > Clemens von Wedemeyer (artist Berlin). >>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPMYU-COIik >>> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPMYU-COIik> >>> > >>> > Institute of Strategic Dialogue (ISD) report, Support from the >>> > Conspiracy Corner: German-Language Disinformation about the Russian >>> > Invasion of Ukraine on Telegram: >>> > https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispatches/support-from-the-conspiracy-corner-german-language-disinformation-about-the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-on-telegram/ >>> > >>> > <https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispatches/support-from-the-conspiracy-corner-german-language-disinformation-about-the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-on-telegram/> >>> > >>> > Report on Websites Blocked in Russia Since Ukraine Invasion: >>> > https://www.top10vpn.com/research/websites-blocked-in-russia/ >>> > <https://www.top10vpn.com/research/websites-blocked-in-russia/> >>> > >>> > Global VPN use, live tracker - Russia: VPN demand increase: 2,088% >>> > (peak), Dates: February 24-March 13; 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