On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 16:42, Greg wrote: > Where would I go to get info and help to make my linux box a file server print > server and every thing you talk about here > Thanks Greg > > right here
> > "Frankie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Hi Stephen, > > > >I do exactly the same thing here in Western Australia, > > > >I have several clients over here that are running linux.. > >and they proudly > >tell everyone that they are "hip" enough to be running a > >linux server.. > >(though ususally they don't even know how to log into it..) > > > >I use several as fileservers, mail/spam/virus filters, > >gateways, proxies, > >backups, DNS, webservers etc etc.. much the same stuff you > >are talking about. > > > >most of them are over the moon that they don't need client > >licenses for all > >the workstations anymore... > > > >Its good stuff. :-) > > > > > >regards > > > >Franki > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen > >Kuhn > >Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2003 7:04 PM > >To: Mandrake Newbie > >Subject: [newbie] OT: Peaceful Coexistence > > > > > >This is slightly OT, but I wanted to show something about > >how consumers > >think (non-geek consumers that are looking for SOLUTIONS and > >not OS > >wars). > > > >I have a customer - they're a building/architecture firm > >here in > >Wollongong, New South Wales (Australia!); they spend very > >large amounts > >of money on software necessary to do their work (AutoCAD and > >a > >financial/accounting package with estimation and cost > >factoring that > >works hand-in-hand with AutoCAD) but cannot necessarily run > >out and > >purchase new machines every year to keep up with the > >techno-tide; they > >run primarily XP, Win2k and Win98SE - and they're happy > >doing this as it > >suits their purposes and their comfort levels - they're > >stuck into using > >computers all the time - day in and day out and don't have > >the time to > >"relearn" new applications, new operating systems or new > >office suites. > > > >They need a server - file server and print server (at least > >this is what > >they wanted at first) - on top of this, they want a way to > >protect the > >network from bugs'n'nasties, and the horrible pop-up ads and > >other junk > >that ends up cluttering up their email boxes. They have no > >care as to > >what is what - just that it's a machine to do the job. They > >want to do > >it for the least amount/least cost, but most punch. > > > >I'm building them a linux server. This machine will be their > >mail server > >(wow, really?), their file server, their print server, their > >fax server > >(wow, really?), their proxy server (wow, really?), their > >firewall and > >internet gateway (super wow, really?), their backup server > >(even bigger > >wow's and really's!?!), their "profile" storage server, and > >last but not > >least, their "intranet" server (Gosh and jeepers! Way > >cool!); cost was > >the factor. > > > >They were given an outline of the machine and it's > >capabilities - > >without really telling the "boss" what OS the machine was > >going to have > >- he was over the moon with the "total cost"; question did > >come, though, > >as to what it was going to run - to which he was told > >"linux"; "Oh > >really? Ok...is that cheaper than Windows server?" - I then > >proceeded to > >tell him that it would cost literally another $3000 to $5000 > >for an "All > >Windows" server. Nah. No go. "Um, I like the first one you > >said"..."Linux?" - "Yeah, that one". > > > >He was told that he (or I) can actually completely > >administer the > >machine remotely - or perform maintenance or support > >remotely - no extra > >cost (except for the support contract which is still not > >alot of money); > >way cool! That's really cool! > > > >Here's some things he liked right off the bat: > > > >* No need to learn any new applications > >* No need to understand anything new > >* No change of "visual" infrastructure > >* No training necessary for the workers > >* No "thinking" about doing backups (they hate that) > >* No "poking around" with ADSL settings anymore > >* No need to manually virus scan stuff > >* No worries about viruses born through email > >* No more pop-up ads > >* pr0n dialers can't work anymore (boss surfs a bit) > >* Everyone's activities can be monitored by the boss > >* No need to have me visit physically > >* No more need to have me do support "on site" > > (unless something really screws up) > >* No licensing with Microsoft (He hates those ties) > > > >He asked about updating the software. I said it updates > >itself. Big > >smile. He asked about how the antivirus software updates. I > >said it > >updated itself. Bigger smile. He asked if he had to do > >manual scans for > >bugs anymore - I said "Only if you want to" - He digs that. > > > >These people don't give a rat's bum about being loyal to > >Microsoft or to > >another - they're worried about cost and effectiveness. If > >he can get > >two more years out of a box with Win2k on it or Win98SE on > >it, he's over > >the moon. Less overhead. > > > >Now, what I'm trying to get at here is this simple fact: > >Linux and > >Microsoft can get along - and get along quite well together. > >I went > >through this same thing about 10 years ago with Macs and > >PC's - and > >shown people time and time again that they can live happily > >together and > >not be a thorn in anyone's side. Linux - especially when > >used properly > >as a server that's setup nicely and setup for alot of > >monotonous > >repetitive tasks can make a network with MS products more > >stable and > >more safe; for all intents and purposes, Windows was built > >to be a > >"workstation" and really nothing more (although it's always > >pushed into > >trying to be a server product); end-users can happily be in > >XP and linux > >happily sits in the background churning away at the tough > >jobs - jobs it > >was designed to do from the get-go... > > > >Now there might come a time when I can show this particular > >customer > >that a linux workstation might be a good choice for an > >addition there in > >the office, but currently, it's of no use - they ain't got > >the time nor > >the freedom to "test" this... > > > >...and they saved thousands of dollars off of "locked in > >licensing" of a > >Microsoft product - and that money saved is money I'll get > >back out of > >them when they purchase something else they've been wanting > >almost more > >than a new server - 19" monitors! > > > >...resume your course... > >-- > >Wed Jul 30 20:35:01 EST 2003 > > 20:35:01 up 23:27, 2 users, load average: 0.28, 0.27, > >0.16 > >------------------------------------------------------------ > >----- > >| __ __ |kuhn media australia > >| > >| /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com > >| > >| .\__/ || | | > >|================================| > >| _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn > >| > >| | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] | > >------------------------------------------------------------ > >----- > > linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ & RH > >9 > > Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 > >------------------------------------------------------------ > >----- > > * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free > >computer * > > > >Beware the new TTY code! > > > > > > > > >
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