After reading this a couple of times, I think I get it. The mini plug wire swap 
didn't do anything but swapping the wires at the coils did ? That's the almost 
the same thing. Check for continuity in all those wires. At this point, take 
the wires off the live coil and switch to the dead one.. OK? Now do the same 
thing with the other pair. Problem moved ? Y~N ? What is the resistance of the 
plug caps ? From what you say, you can get spark from both coils, using 
different wiring configurations. That would mean both coils are OK. AND, if I 
get this right, you are sure both outputs from the CDI work as well. This 
leaves us with only the wires from the mini plug to the coils. Maybe I'm 
missing something in your description. 


--- On Sat, 6/6/09, Dennis <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Dennis <[email protected]>
Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: My CB700SC and the CDI unit
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 6:10 PM



 
Message

Dennis,
 
Yes, I think I understand it.
 
I swapped the blue & yellow wires at the 3P MINI 
connector just before the coils.   The problem did not change; 2 & 
3 still spark and 1 & 4 do 
not.
 
If I understand things, this 
fact is telling me that I have good signal from both sides of the 
Ignitor because now 2 & 3 are firing using the signal from the other 
side of the ignitor.   So, if both sides of the ignitor are working, 
then my problem must be beyond the ignitor.  I.e., the coils or 
their wiring.
 
I pulled the coils out again and had a 
really good look at them. 
  
- I remeasured the resistance on both 
primaries and secondaries - all still good.   

- I checked for continuity on the wire 
that carries ground from one coil to the other - it's good.   

- I tested the primary's 
resistance and continuity from the coil side of the 3P MINI plug and everything 
was good from there.   
- I measured the resistance from the 
primary to the secondary on both coils and it was basically 
infinity.
 
So, I can't see by using my VOM where 
the 1 & 4 coil is any different than the 2 & 3.   

 
My next step was to swap the 
coils and see if the problem moves.   And it did.   Now 1 
& 4 are sparking and 2 & 3 are not.
 
My conclusion is that one of my coils 
is bad but I'm pretty baffled as to why both coils seems identical 
when I test their continuity and resistances.  
.
 
I'm interested on your thoughts on all of this, 
Dennis.   Am I missing something here?
Dennis G.
- Seattle

  
  -----Original Message-----
From: 
  [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
  On Behalf Of Dennis Hammerl
Sent: 06 June, 2009 
  11:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: 
  [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: My CB700SC and the CDI unit


  
    
    
      You do understand what I'm talking about ? It's very 
        simple, you're trading components to determine which one is at fault. 
        The pins come out of the plastic connectors by inserting a small 
        screwdriver in and moving the tang out of the way. I use a tool made 
for 
        leather working. Study the plastic connectors first and make notes of 
        where the wires belong for later. Your problem should move to the 2-3 
        set at some point. That's when you find the bad part. 

--- On 
        Sat, 6/6/09, Dennis <[email protected]> 
        wrote:

        
From: 
          Dennis <[email protected]>
Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] 
          Re: My CB700SC and the CDI unit
To: 
          [email protected]
Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 
          1:27 AM


          
          Beautiful.   I'll be on it in the 
          morning if business here is light.  Thanks!
           
          Dennis G.
- Seattle
          
            
            -----Original Message-----
From: 
            [email protected] 
            [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
            Dennis Hammerl
Sent: 05 June, 2009 22:13
To: 
            [email protected]
Subject: [Nighthawk 
            Lovers] Re: My CB700SC and the CDI unit


            
              
              
                I did say you could move the wiring around at 
                  the connector plugs to insure your diagnosis was correct. Now 
                  you really should. Go to 22-1 and you'll see that the 1-4 
pair 
                  at the coil is the bl/w and Y. The 2-3 set is bl/w and Bu. 
                  Switching those pairs and still having the 1-4 set out would 
                  indicate the coil is bad. If the 2-3 set went out, move back 
                  to the CDI. Now you switch the yellow and white pair with the 
                  blue and white pair. That switches the pulser coils at the 
                  CDI. If the 1-4 pair is still out, it's the CDI. If it swaps 
                  and the 2-3 set is out, it's the one pulse coil that's bad. 
                  Yes, by all means, check for continuity at all wires. A 
                  similar failed part ? possible. Use your VOM to eliminate 
                  confusion and check all point to point wiring and grounds. 
                  

--- On Fri, 6/5/09, Dennis 
                  <[email protected]> wrote:

                  
From: 
                    Dennis <[email protected]>
Subject: [Nighthawk 
                    Lovers] My CB700SC and the CDI unit
To: 
                    [email protected]
Date: Friday, June 5, 
                    2009, 10:46 PM


                    
                    Well, my new Ignitor 
                    unit came and I installed it and my bike still has the same 
                    symptoms.   That is, cylinders 1 and 4 are not 
                    getting any spark.
                    I sat down and had a 
                    longer look at the schematic and I can see some possible 
                    scenarios that might be consistant with the facts on 
                    hand.  
                    Those facts are: 
                    
                    - I've measured the 
                    resistances of both my primary and secondary coils and my 
                    pulse generator coils and they all show continuity and 
                    resitances that are within spec.
                    - I've tried two 
                    different Ignitor units (my original and the new one) and 
                    the system fails the same way with either (no spark on 1 
                    & 4).
                    Scenario # 1 is that 
                    the new ignitor unit is bad in the same way that the old 
one 
                    is, i.e. failing on the cylinder 1 & 4 side.   
                    I don't think much of this idea however - seems like too 
big 
                    a coincidence.
                    Scenario #2:  that 
                    even though the pulse generators both measure good on 
                    continuity and resistance, the one that sends the signal 
for 
                    1 & 4 may, somehow, be out of place relative to the 
                    central shaft that spins with a  magnet on it to 
                    generate the pulses.   I'll be able to see this, I 
                    think, by cranking the bike and looking for voltage pulses 
                    coming up the cable from the pulse generators.   
                    If both sides have similar pulses, then I think this won't 
                    be the issue.  If one pulse is low or mssing, then I'll 
                    open the pulse generator cover and see what's what in 
                    there.
                    Scenario #3:  one 
                    of the connectors linking the pulse generator cable to the 
                    Ignitor may be corroded and not passing signal.   
                    Frankly, this seems remote to me.   The surfaces 
                    seem clean and I've plugged and unplugged them several 
                    times.
                    Scenario #4:  The 
                    wire that carries the 1 & 4 signal from the ignitor to 
                    the 1 & 4 coil may be open.  I can run a simple 
                    continuity test to demo this.   I know the ground 
                    wire and the 2 &3 wire from the ignitor to the coils has 
                    to be good as I've got spark on 2 & 3.
                    Scenario #5: The wire 
                    on the coils that carries the ground from the 2 & 3 side 
                    to the 1 & 4 side may be open. 
                    Scenario #6:  The 
                    connection where the 1 & 4 signal from the ignitor 
                    connects to the 1 & 4 coil may be corroded and not 
                    passing the signal.   I've had this disconnected 
                    and reconnected and it seems unlikely to me like in 
                    #3.
                    Dennis H., are you 
                    reading this?   I'm looking at page 19-0 in my 
                    CB700SC manual and I'm wondering if I'm missing some other 
                    scenarios?
                    Dennis 
- 
                    samadhi<soft|coda|muse>.com 
                  













      
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