Thanks Stanley...LOL! I didn't see where he soaked it in blaster. I wonder if 
he's tried to heat it up a bit to see if would loosen it? There's more than one 
way to skin a nut!



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From: stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 7:53:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further


Lighten up, Kim.  It appears that he has already soaked it in "blaster," which 
to me would be PB?  
To "wing nut:  "  listen to Dennis and disassemble it.  Something's obviously 
wrong in there and unlike a car with 4 wheels, you only have two and if 
something is wrong with the front, you are inviting catastrophe here.  
Ah, like, personal injury?
With a car, you still have three other wheels to bring the machine to a 
relatively safe stop, compared to a bike.
I would follow Dennis's instructions.  He knows what's up with these machines.  
Really.
 
Stanley

--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Kim Paddock <[email protected]> wrote:


>From: Kim Paddock <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further
>To: [email protected]
>Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 7:35 AM
>
>
> >
>Hey Dennis...will you tell this wingnut that he needs to use PB blaster to get 
>his axle nut loose? He listens to you...somewhat.
>
>
>
>
________________________________
 From: Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 9:36:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further
>
>
>I wouldn't reassemble it till I found out why that is. Too many parts in there 
>to disregard. Stepped spacer one side, speedometer drive other side. Two 
>bearings, spacer inside. Axle nut 54' lbs. should be tight but not stuck on 
>unless over tightened. Over tightened would damage bearings and pull fork 
>tubes together. Missing internal spacer would allow nut to be over tightened. 
>Incorrect drive installation would spread forks. Maybe it's fine. The bottom 
>line is, it's your butt. For me, I wanna' know. The tire was the giveaway that 
>something is wrong. Don't quit untill you know and correct it. I can't work 
>this way, my job depends on me doing it right. For me, I'd put a socket on the 
>fixed end bolt head and clamp a breaker bar in a vise, and use the same deal 
>on the nut end. Put a piece of pipe on the bar and...it's coming off. I can't 
>let a customer ride a bike I "think" is OK. It better be right. 
>
>
>
>
________________________________
 From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
>To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
>Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 8:42:32 PM
>Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further
>
>Dennis:
>
>I cant get the axel nut loose and I am afraid I am going to break a
>nuckle or worse something on the bike.  The wheel appears to spin
>true.I think the axel is fine.  I would like to proceed with
>reassembly.  Please advise.  Please note I have replaced the brake
>pads already.
>
>Glen
>
>
>On Jan 26, 12:41 am, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Send pix as attachments. The wear you describe is not right. Pads should 
>> wear evenly. Wheel is cocked to do this. Your measurements showed this too. 
>> That would cause the contact patch to be off-center. A careful re-assembly 
>> is going to take care of this. Still have to inspect the axle and get that 
>> right first. Gee, this bike will be totally different when you get done. 
>> Handle and brake better.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
>> To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 12:29:33 AM
>> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further
>>
>> Dennis;
>>
>> I do not know how to post a picture to an existing string.  The pads
>> are worn as if on a skew. One pads is thinner at the top then it is at
>> the bottom and the other pad is the opposite thicker on  the top then
>> on the bottom. Wheel spin was relative to axel in hand.  When in the
>> forks without brakes wheel spins smooth and easy. I took a picture of
>> the pads and will try to e-mail to you directly.Still can get nut off
>> soking it in blaster.
>>
>> Glen
>>
>> On Jan 25, 11:22 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Wear is uneven ? Send pix. Wheel requires some effort to turn ? Something 
>> > very wrong here. Get the axle apart and see. Resolve this before we go any 
>> > further. This sounds like an assembly problem. Incorrect order of assembly 
>> > or parts missing. The speedo drive cannot drag the wheel down but a 
>> > missing bearing spacer would. Let's see the pads and what they tell us. 
>> > The wear pattern is a giveaway.
>>
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
>> > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
>> > Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 9:27:36 PM
>> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further
>>
>> > Dennis:
>>
>> > I have rexamined everything very closley and here is what I found:
>>
>> > Found a very small amount of play in the neck, tightened 1/8 turn.
>>
>> > Brake pads are mettalic and wear is uneven and down to 1/8 inch or
>> > less (I have new organic pads).
>>
>> > I still cant get axle nut loose. Fok oil leaked out of the anti-dive
>> > adjust. Leak is now fixed will try to get axle nut off again later.
>> > Spinning wheel in the forks it looked true and has no play. Axle spins
>> > but not without effort, I am  assuming speedo is slowing it down.
>>
>> > I examined the fork tubes carefully with a strait edge and I
> cant find
>> > any defects.
>>
>> > What course of action do you recommend next?
>>
>> > Glen
>>
>> > On Jan 24, 11:12 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > > Is there any movement of the relationship between the upper and lower 
>> > > fork bridges while twisting ? Did you get the axle out ?
>> > > While twisting the tubes, is there any movement of the very bottom of 
>> > > the fork ? Your measurements show that there is something flexed 
>> > > somewhere. The first things to flex are fork tubes. That's why this is 
>> > > so important. If you can't find any deviation in any component, then 
>> > > let's try reassembly in a very special sequence.
>>
>> > > ________________________________
>> > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
>> > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
>> > > Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 10:54:40 PM
>> > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further
>>
>> > > Dennis:
>>
>> > > Twisting forks in the clamps I do not notice any binding or tight
>> > > spots?  Now what?
>>
>> > > Glen
>>
>> > > On Jan 20, 10:51 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > > > Other than disabling the anti-dive, it shouldn't make a difference. 
>> > > > There's something wrong with your bike and it may be cured by careful 
>> > > > re-assembly. But, don't hurry to get there.
>>
>> > > > ________________________________
>> > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
>> > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
>> > > > Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 10:28:58 PM
>> > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment
> further
>>
>> > > > Dennis:
>>
>> > > > Not sure if this could  make a difference, but when I replace my fork
>> > > > seals last year I disasembled the forks to clean out all the old oil
>> > > > and I misplaced the ball berring and spring that act as the holder for
>> > > > the anti dive adjustment nob. I assembled with out it and used an o
>> > > > ring to hold the nob in place.  I recently found the ball bering and
>> > > > spring and replaced them tonight.
>>
>> > > > Glen
>>
>> > > > On Jan 20, 10:15 pm, Snookfever <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > Dennis:
>>
>> > > > > Calipers
> working fine, pins still have grease and slide smooth
>> > > > > (calipers cleaned and pins greased when I did the fork seals last
>> > > > > year)
>> > > > > Brake pads at 50% look fine no unusual wear
>> > > > > No problems with fork brace or fender
>> > > > > Wheel mounted correctly
>> > > > > Forks slide in an out smoothly
>> > > > > Cant get axle nut loose to remove axle from wheel.  Is it standard
>> > > > > thread left loosy?
>> > > > > Axle has no play
>> > > > > Checked wheel base and it measure 59.5 inches (axle center to axle
>> > > > > center).
>>
>> > > > > What next?
>>
>> > > > > On Jan 19, 10:45 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > Very good. That was an incidental because it was a good time to 
>> > > > > > perform the check. Better to find a problem now and not later. 
>> > > > > > Twisting the fork tubes and such are more to the point. While you 
>> > > > > > have a small deviation from correct, it makes it harder to find 
>> > > > > > the exact flaw. I do expect the fork tubes to be somewhat flexed. 
>> > > > > > Another thought that passed through is a misplaced spacer on the 
>> > > > > > front axle. The purpose of all this is to return it to a near 
>> > > > > > perfect alignment in two planes. Yours is off in both. That's what 
>> > > > > > is leading me to flexed fork tubes. When this is reassembled, 
>> > > > > > there will be a sequence of operations to insure alignment. I've 
>> > > > > > found over the years that a good many people will replace a tire 
>> > > > > > and neglect the fine points of assembly. Go slow and be methodical.
>>
>> > > > > >
> ________________________________
>> > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
>> > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! 
>> > > > > > <[email protected]>
>> > > > > > Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 10:25:40 PM
>> > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further
>>
>> > > > > > Dennis:
>>
>> > > > > > Smooth as glass left to right and no movement up and down. Will 
>> > > > > > check
>> > > > > > the brake calipers and front axle towmorrow.
>>
>> > >
> > > > Glen
>>
>> > > > > > On Jan 17, 4:52 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > > This should keep you busy for a while. Get back to me.
>>
>> > > > > > > ________________________________
>> > > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
>> > > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! 
>> > > > > > > <[email protected]>
>> > > > > > > Sent: Sun, January 17, 2010 1:28:23 PM
>> > > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment
>>
>> > > > > > > Dennis:
>>
>> > > > > > > Test results are as you predicted. The front wheel is not square 
>> > > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > it is not centered when compared to the rear. Off aligment by 
>> > > > > > > about
>> > > > > > > +/- 3/8 inch and out of square by +/- 1/8 inch.  Tires were 10 
>> > > > > > > lbs low
>> > > > > > > on air. No signs of front end damage or repair.  Please note I
>> > > > > > > replaced the fork seals when I first got it and completely
>> > > > > > > dissasembled both forks .  The shop manual doesnot specify a the 
>> > > > > > > fork
>> >
> > > > > > placement (height) in the clamps.  The are currently  3/8 inch  
> > > > > > (fork
>> > > > > > > tube not including cap) above the top clamp same for both sides.
>>
>> > > > > > > What next?
>>
>> > > > > > > Glen
>>
>> > > > > > > On Jan 15, 11:52 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:> 
>> > > > > > > Start here Glen.
>>
>> > > > > > > >  alignment.doc
>> > > > > > > > 29KViewDownload
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