Thanks Stanley...LOL! I didn't see where he soaked it in blaster. I wonder if he's tried to heat it up a bit to see if would loosen it? There's more than one way to skin a nut!
________________________________ From: stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 7:53:55 AM Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further Lighten up, Kim. It appears that he has already soaked it in "blaster," which to me would be PB? To "wing nut: " listen to Dennis and disassemble it. Something's obviously wrong in there and unlike a car with 4 wheels, you only have two and if something is wrong with the front, you are inviting catastrophe here. Ah, like, personal injury? With a car, you still have three other wheels to bring the machine to a relatively safe stop, compared to a bike. I would follow Dennis's instructions. He knows what's up with these machines. Really. Stanley --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Kim Paddock <[email protected]> wrote: >From: Kim Paddock <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further >To: [email protected] >Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 7:35 AM > > > > >Hey Dennis...will you tell this wingnut that he needs to use PB blaster to get >his axle nut loose? He listens to you...somewhat. > > > > ________________________________ From: Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 9:36:26 PM >Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > >I wouldn't reassemble it till I found out why that is. Too many parts in there >to disregard. Stepped spacer one side, speedometer drive other side. Two >bearings, spacer inside. Axle nut 54' lbs. should be tight but not stuck on >unless over tightened. Over tightened would damage bearings and pull fork >tubes together. Missing internal spacer would allow nut to be over tightened. >Incorrect drive installation would spread forks. Maybe it's fine. The bottom >line is, it's your butt. For me, I wanna' know. The tire was the giveaway that >something is wrong. Don't quit untill you know and correct it. I can't work >this way, my job depends on me doing it right. For me, I'd put a socket on the >fixed end bolt head and clamp a breaker bar in a vise, and use the same deal >on the nut end. Put a piece of pipe on the bar and...it's coming off. I can't >let a customer ride a bike I "think" is OK. It better be right. > > > > ________________________________ From: Snookfever <[email protected]> >To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> >Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 8:42:32 PM >Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > >Dennis: > >I cant get the axel nut loose and I am afraid I am going to break a >nuckle or worse something on the bike. The wheel appears to spin >true.I think the axel is fine. I would like to proceed with >reassembly. Please advise. Please note I have replaced the brake >pads already. > >Glen > > >On Jan 26, 12:41 am, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: >> Send pix as attachments. The wear you describe is not right. Pads should >> wear evenly. Wheel is cocked to do this. Your measurements showed this too. >> That would cause the contact patch to be off-center. A careful re-assembly >> is going to take care of this. Still have to inspect the axle and get that >> right first. Gee, this bike will be totally different when you get done. >> Handle and brake better. >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Snookfever <[email protected]> >> To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 12:29:33 AM >> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further >> >> Dennis; >> >> I do not know how to post a picture to an existing string. The pads >> are worn as if on a skew. One pads is thinner at the top then it is at >> the bottom and the other pad is the opposite thicker on the top then >> on the bottom. Wheel spin was relative to axel in hand. When in the >> forks without brakes wheel spins smooth and easy. I took a picture of >> the pads and will try to e-mail to you directly.Still can get nut off >> soking it in blaster. >> >> Glen >> >> On Jan 25, 11:22 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Wear is uneven ? Send pix. Wheel requires some effort to turn ? Something >> > very wrong here. Get the axle apart and see. Resolve this before we go any >> > further. This sounds like an assembly problem. Incorrect order of assembly >> > or parts missing. The speedo drive cannot drag the wheel down but a >> > missing bearing spacer would. Let's see the pads and what they tell us. >> > The wear pattern is a giveaway. >> >> > ________________________________ >> > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> >> > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 9:27:36 PM >> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further >> >> > Dennis: >> >> > I have rexamined everything very closley and here is what I found: >> >> > Found a very small amount of play in the neck, tightened 1/8 turn. >> >> > Brake pads are mettalic and wear is uneven and down to 1/8 inch or >> > less (I have new organic pads). >> >> > I still cant get axle nut loose. Fok oil leaked out of the anti-dive >> > adjust. Leak is now fixed will try to get axle nut off again later. >> > Spinning wheel in the forks it looked true and has no play. Axle spins >> > but not without effort, I am assuming speedo is slowing it down. >> >> > I examined the fork tubes carefully with a strait edge and I > cant find >> > any defects. >> >> > What course of action do you recommend next? >> >> > Glen >> >> > On Jan 24, 11:12 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > Is there any movement of the relationship between the upper and lower >> > > fork bridges while twisting ? Did you get the axle out ? >> > > While twisting the tubes, is there any movement of the very bottom of >> > > the fork ? Your measurements show that there is something flexed >> > > somewhere. The first things to flex are fork tubes. That's why this is >> > > so important. If you can't find any deviation in any component, then >> > > let's try reassembly in a very special sequence. >> >> > > ________________________________ >> > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> >> > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> >> > > Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 10:54:40 PM >> > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further >> >> > > Dennis: >> >> > > Twisting forks in the clamps I do not notice any binding or tight >> > > spots? Now what? >> >> > > Glen >> >> > > On Jan 20, 10:51 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > Other than disabling the anti-dive, it shouldn't make a difference. >> > > > There's something wrong with your bike and it may be cured by careful >> > > > re-assembly. But, don't hurry to get there. >> >> > > > ________________________________ >> > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> >> > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> >> > > > Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 10:28:58 PM >> > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment > further >> >> > > > Dennis: >> >> > > > Not sure if this could make a difference, but when I replace my fork >> > > > seals last year I disasembled the forks to clean out all the old oil >> > > > and I misplaced the ball berring and spring that act as the holder for >> > > > the anti dive adjustment nob. I assembled with out it and used an o >> > > > ring to hold the nob in place. I recently found the ball bering and >> > > > spring and replaced them tonight. >> >> > > > Glen >> >> > > > On Jan 20, 10:15 pm, Snookfever <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > Dennis: >> >> > > > > Calipers > working fine, pins still have grease and slide smooth >> > > > > (calipers cleaned and pins greased when I did the fork seals last >> > > > > year) >> > > > > Brake pads at 50% look fine no unusual wear >> > > > > No problems with fork brace or fender >> > > > > Wheel mounted correctly >> > > > > Forks slide in an out smoothly >> > > > > Cant get axle nut loose to remove axle from wheel. Is it standard >> > > > > thread left loosy? >> > > > > Axle has no play >> > > > > Checked wheel base and it measure 59.5 inches (axle center to axle >> > > > > center). >> >> > > > > What next? >> >> > > > > On Jan 19, 10:45 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > Very good. That was an incidental because it was a good time to >> > > > > > perform the check. Better to find a problem now and not later. >> > > > > > Twisting the fork tubes and such are more to the point. While you >> > > > > > have a small deviation from correct, it makes it harder to find >> > > > > > the exact flaw. I do expect the fork tubes to be somewhat flexed. >> > > > > > Another thought that passed through is a misplaced spacer on the >> > > > > > front axle. The purpose of all this is to return it to a near >> > > > > > perfect alignment in two planes. Yours is off in both. That's what >> > > > > > is leading me to flexed fork tubes. When this is reassembled, >> > > > > > there will be a sequence of operations to insure alignment. I've >> > > > > > found over the years that a good many people will replace a tire >> > > > > > and neglect the fine points of assembly. Go slow and be methodical. >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ >> > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> >> > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! >> > > > > > <[email protected]> >> > > > > > Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 10:25:40 PM >> > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further >> >> > > > > > Dennis: >> >> > > > > > Smooth as glass left to right and no movement up and down. Will >> > > > > > check >> > > > > > the brake calipers and front axle towmorrow. >> >> > > > > > > Glen >> >> > > > > > On Jan 17, 4:52 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > This should keep you busy for a while. Get back to me. >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ >> > > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> >> > > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! >> > > > > > > <[email protected]> >> > > > > > > Sent: Sun, January 17, 2010 1:28:23 PM >> > > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment >> >> > > > > > > Dennis: >> >> > > > > > > Test results are as you predicted. The front wheel is not square >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > it is not centered when compared to the rear. Off aligment by >> > > > > > > about >> > > > > > > +/- 3/8 inch and out of square by +/- 1/8 inch. Tires were 10 >> > > > > > > lbs low >> > > > > > > on air. No signs of front end damage or repair. Please note I >> > > > > > > replaced the fork seals when I first got it and completely >> > > > > > > dissasembled both forks . The shop manual doesnot specify a the >> > > > > > > fork >> > > > > > > > placement (height) in the clamps. The are currently 3/8 inch > > > > > > (fork >> > > > > > > tube not including cap) above the top clamp same for both sides. >> >> > > > > > > What next? >> >> > > > > > > Glen >> >> > > > > > > On Jan 15, 11:52 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:> >> > > > > > > Start here Glen. >> >> > > > > > > > alignment.doc >> > > > > > > > 29KViewDownload >> >> > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> > > > > > > Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > > > > > > [email protected]. >> > > > > > > For more options, visit this group >> > > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. >> >> > > > > > > further checks.doc >> > > > > > > 13KViewDownload >> >> > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> > > > > > To post to this group, send email to >> > > > > > [email protected]. >> > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > > > > > [email protected]. >> > > > > > For more options, visit this group >> > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext- >> >> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > > > -- >> > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > > > Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > > > [email protected]. >> > > > For more options, visit this group >> > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext >> > > > - >> >> > > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > > -- >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > > Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > > [email protected]. >> > > For more > options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > [email protected]. >> > For more > options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> -- ... >> >> read more ยป- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >"Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >[email protected]. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >"Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >[email protected]. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >"Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >[email protected]. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. 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