Everything stayed straight ? Still in perfect alignment with the back wheel ? How about in parallel with the rear wheel as in earlier testing ? (that's the second plane) Confirm both planes before we proceed. 90 degrees to floor and less than 1/8" off center from rear wheel. That's as good as it gets.
________________________________ From: Glen <[email protected]> To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 4:28:00 PM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further Dennis: All tight all right. What Next? Glen On Jan 28, 11:41 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > Start by tightening the axle clamps. Front nuts first, then rear ones. > Recheck alignment. Position tubes in fork bridge clamps (so much above top > bridge) and tighten clamps. Recheck alignment. Install fender and fork brace > and recheck alignment. That reason behind this all is to see if at any time > it shifts. Constant rechecking after each step will show the exact component > that is at fault. If it doesn't move and stays right, all the better. Leave > the brake calipers off for now. Get back to me when this is completed. Brake > set-up is a bit more precise. If it moves as any clamp is tightened, note > which one and report in. > > ________________________________ > From: Glen <[email protected]> > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 7:36:58 PM > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > Dennis: > > Its perfect! I tripple checked it with a square on each side both > front and rear. Its right on! > > Whats next? > > On Jan 27, 11:41 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You didn't say you had the tubes off. Start at the common 3/8" position. > > We'll attend to those little details later. When you let the bike settle on > > the axle, keep the jack/s in place, we'll need them to support it during > > alignment. First order of business is to make this thing as straight as can > > be. Later is brakes, tube height,,, for now just the wheel in place. The > > method is quite simple once you understand how all this fits together. If > > it cannot be corrected in this manner, we look farther. > > > ________________________________ > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 11:05:56 PM > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > Dennis: > > > Bearings seem fine, spacer is present, spedo tangs looks fine and were/ > > are aligned. I cleaned out the factory grease in the spedo and > > replaced with a quality bearing grease. Japan doesnt make good grease > > and they are very skimpy with it. Before setting the wheel to the > > forks, shouldn't I set the forks to the bike? How far above the upper > > clamp should I set each fork? Left and right the same height? Shop > > manual gives no guidence as to fork placement in the clamps and I did > > not mark them last year when I replaced the fork seals. > > > I fabricated independent adjustable jacks for each side of the bike to > > hold the front end off the ground while on the center stand so I could > > replace the fork seals last year. However they are not adjustable once > > the weight is on them, so I am going to have to wait until I can get > > some help to square the rear wheel and lower the forks onto the > > wheel. > > > Glen. > > > On Jan 27, 9:41 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Bearings good ? spacer present ? Speedometer drive tangs in proper place > > > ? Reassemble and snug (not torque) axle nut. Bike is on center stand.. > > > right ? Use a carpenters square against the back wheel and shim one of > > > the center stand feet if need be so that the rear wheel is a perfect 90 > > > to the floor. You need this as a reference when putting the front end > > > back together. Bike supported by some kind of adjustable jack ? Lower > > > front end till it rests on the axle. Leave calipers off at this point. > > > Lightly snug the fork bottom clamps against the axle. (finger tight) > > > Check for alignment with rear wheel. Report back. > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 6:21:36 PM > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > Dennis: > > > > After an over night soak in blaster and a longer wrench from a > > > neighbor I got the axel apart. The axel is straight and all parts are > > > present according to my shop manual. > > > > What next? > > > > Captain Obvious: Yes, I have been using "PB" Blaster and a Heat Gun, > > > would have used a torch but I did not want to melt the bearring dust > > > covers or plastic gears in the spedo. The problem was leverage... size > > > does matter! > > > > Glen > > > > On Jan 27, 3:21 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I am starting to lose it. > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Kim Paddock <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 8:35:10 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > Hey Dennis...will you tell this wingnut that he needs to use PB blaster > > > > to get his axle nut loose? He listens to you...somewhat. > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 9:36:26 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > I wouldn't reassemble it till I found out why that is. Too many parts > > > > in there to disregard. Stepped spacer one side, speedometer drive other > > > > side. Two bearings, spacer inside. Axle nut 54' lbs. should be tight > > > > but not stuck on unless over tightened. Over tightened would damage > > > > bearings and pull fork tubes together. Missing internal spacer would > > > > allow nut to be over tightened. Incorrect drive installation would > > > > spread forks. Maybe it's fine. The bottom line is, it's your butt. For > > > > me, I wanna' know. The tire was the giveaway that something is wrong. > > > > Don't quit untill you know and correct it. I can't work this way, my > > > > job depends on me doing it right. For me, I'd put a socket on the fixed > > > > end bolt head and clamp a breaker bar in a vise, and use the same deal > > > > on the nut end. Put a piece of pipe on the bar and...it's coming off. I > > > > can't let a customer ride a bike I "think" is OK. It better be right. > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 8:42:32 PM > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > Dennis: > > > > > I cant get the axel nut loose and I am afraid I am going to break a > > > > nuckle or worse something on the bike. The wheel appears to spin > > > > true.I think the axel is fine. I would like to proceed with > > > > reassembly. Please advise. Please note I have replaced the brake > > > > pads already. > > > > > Glen > > > > > On Jan 26, 12:41 am, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Send pix as attachments. The wear you describe is not right. Pads > > > > > should wear evenly. Wheel is cocked to do this. Your measurements > > > > > showed this too. That would cause the contact patch to be off-center. > > > > > A careful re-assembly is going to take care of this. Still have to > > > > > inspect the axle and get that right first. Gee, this bike will be > > > > > totally different when you get done. Handle and brake better. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 12:29:33 AM > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > > Dennis; > > > > > > I do not know how to post a picture to an existing string. The pads > > > > > are worn as if on a skew. One pads is thinner at the top then it is at > > > > > the bottom and the other pad is the opposite thicker on the top then > > > > > on the bottom. Wheel spin was relative to axel in hand. When in the > > > > > forks without brakes wheel spins smooth and easy. I took a picture of > > > > > the pads and will try to e-mail to you directly.Still can get nut off > > > > > soking it in blaster. > > > > > > Glen > > > > > > On Jan 25, 11:22 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Wear is uneven ? Send pix. Wheel requires some effort to turn ? > > > > > > Something very wrong here. Get the axle apart and see. Resolve this > > > > > > before we go any further. This sounds like an assembly problem. > > > > > > Incorrect order of assembly or parts missing. The speedo drive > > > > > > cannot drag the wheel down but a missing bearing spacer would. > > > > > > Let's see the pads and what they tell us. The wear pattern is a > > > > > > giveaway. > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > > > > Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 9:27:36 PM > > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: alignment further > > > > > > > Dennis: > > > > > > > I have rexamined everything very closley and here is what I found: > > > > > > > Found a very small amount of play in the neck, tightened 1/8 turn. > > > > > > > Brake pads are mettalic and wear is uneven and down to 1/8 inch or > > > > > > less (I have new organic pads). > > > > > > > I still cant get axle nut loose. Fok oil leaked out of the anti-dive > > > > > > adjust. Leak is now fixed will try to get axle nut off again later. > > > > > > Spinning wheel in the forks it looked true and has no play. Axle > > > > > > spins > > > > > > but not without effort, I am assuming speedo is slowing it down. > > > > > > > I examined the fork tubes carefully with a strait edge and I cant > > > > > > find > > > > > > any defects. > > > > > > > What course of action do you recommend next? > > > > > > > Glen > > > > > > > On Jan 24, 11:12 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Is there any movement of the relationship between the upper and > > > > > > > lower fork bridges while twisting ? Did you get the axle out ? > > > > > > > While twisting the tubes, is there any movement of the very > > > > > > > bottom of the fork ? Your measurements show that there is > > > > > > > something flexed somewhere. The first things to flex are fork > > > > > > > tubes. That's why this is so important. If you can't find any > > > > > > > deviation in any component, then let's try reassembly in a very > > > > > > > special sequence. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Sent: > > ... > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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