The camera and lens at $400 isn't much of a "deal", I bought the body from B&H for $300 for my fiancee, she uses it with my 50mm lens. The 35-80 isn't one of Nikon's better lenses, so you may want to just get the body and add a different lens. Nikon makes a 50mm f1.8 autofocus lens that sells for $90, if I didn't already have the other 50mm, I would have gotter her that lens. As far as it being a good place to start........I'm not sure. The F3HP is arguably the "pinnacle" of Nikon manual cameras. The N60 is Nikon's budget model, so you may be a little disappointed with the build quality. On the other hand, the N60 has a modern meter and autofocus system and it does work pretty well. My fiancee has been using hers in program mode and has probably used a dozen rolls of black and white film since she got it, no bad surprises, and she likes having the built in flash. Eric Edelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.edelmans.org <<<<while shopping at my local Wal-Mart, I discovered a surprise in the camera dept, namely a Nikon N60 with 35-80 mm f4-5.6D AF Nikkor lens listed as "New Item - $399.97." My question of the list is: Is this a good deal or not? I presently use an F3HP for most of my stuff, plus an F2AS (my true first love in life), but I've been thinking about getting into AF. Is this a good place to start?>>>>>