@tauren

For us it really works the opposite way - we filter out people who are not
willing/able to learn Coffeescript/Stylus/Jade -  it is a good test to
judge if people are flexible. I trained a few people in those technologies
and the good ones were productive within a day or two, with some help later
on to improve their skills and the quality of the code. Now I understand
that in a lot of cases you are stuck with the people who are assigned to
you so I do get where you are coming from - I think the Scala folks have
the same problem.

Regarding plates: I tried to use that too (even wrote a wiki page for them
that is now outdated...) but I stumbled upon the same problems you did.



On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Tauren Mills <[email protected]> wrote:

> Thanks for the responses.
>
> @arunoda -- I've used half a dozen templating engines, and have already
> made my choice. I was simply questioning why lately Jade is not only the
> most often recommended choice, but seems to be the only recommendation. I
> have to assume it is because people recommend what they know, and it is the
> most popular. And everyone else doesn't care enough to chime in.
>
> @martin -- I used to agree with you. For about a year, I used jade,
> stylus, and coffeescript. They aren't my tools of choice any longer, but I
> recognize the appeal. Unfortunately, it really only works if your entire
> team is on-board with these tools and there are rarely any staffing
> changes. Otherwise, in my experience, productivity suffers as new team
> members come up to speed with the new tools.
>
> Instead, we stick with HTML since everyone knows it and I use the Emmet
> [1] sublime plugin [2] to make typing it much faster. We use LESS because
> it is syntactically compatible with CSS and because twitter bootstrap uses
> it. And we use plain JS, but still have some legacy coffeescript that we
> tolerate.
>
> @peter -- Sounds like we are on the same page. I too prefer logic-less
> templating, and have gone that route for the last year or so.
>
> I tried out a completely logic-less engine called Plates [3], but it was
> far too buggy at the time. I haven't used transparency [4] yet, but it
> appears very similar to plates. Unfortunately, I doubt I would use it since
> it requires a DOM, which makes it less usable server-side.
>
> In the end, I chose to use Handlebars [5] since it is popular and well
> supported, and I avoid using it in ways that add any sort of branching or
> other logic into the template itself. It works well with Express, is easy
> to integrate into Backbone, and is the default engine with Ember, so it
> meets all my BE and FE needs.
>
> [1] http://docs.emmet.io/
> [2] https://github.com/sergeche/emmet-sublime
> [3] https://github.com/flatiron/plates
> [4] https://github.com/leonidas/transparency
> [5] http://handlebarsjs.com/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Peter Rust <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Jade does seem to be the most popular on npm, with 235k downloads in the
>> last month, but it's not a landslide (handlebars has 74k, EJS has 59k, and
>> there are *four pages* of packages with the keyword "template").
>>
>>
>> Is everyone burnt out arguing over template engines?
>>>
>> I suspect so. Since your choice of template engine doesn't usually affect
>> interoperability with other modules (unlike the single-callbacks vs
>> promises debate), you can just pick what you like best.
>>
>> Personally, I dislike Jade for the same reason Martin likes it (Jade is
>> to HTML what Coffeescript is to Javascript) and prefer logic-less
>> micro-templating that strictly does interpolation and nesting of other
>> templates.
>>
>
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