@tauren For us it really works the opposite way - we filter out people who are not willing/able to learn Coffeescript/Stylus/Jade - it is a good test to judge if people are flexible. I trained a few people in those technologies and the good ones were productive within a day or two, with some help later on to improve their skills and the quality of the code. Now I understand that in a lot of cases you are stuck with the people who are assigned to you so I do get where you are coming from - I think the Scala folks have the same problem.
Regarding plates: I tried to use that too (even wrote a wiki page for them that is now outdated...) but I stumbled upon the same problems you did. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Tauren Mills <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the responses. > > @arunoda -- I've used half a dozen templating engines, and have already > made my choice. I was simply questioning why lately Jade is not only the > most often recommended choice, but seems to be the only recommendation. I > have to assume it is because people recommend what they know, and it is the > most popular. And everyone else doesn't care enough to chime in. > > @martin -- I used to agree with you. For about a year, I used jade, > stylus, and coffeescript. They aren't my tools of choice any longer, but I > recognize the appeal. Unfortunately, it really only works if your entire > team is on-board with these tools and there are rarely any staffing > changes. Otherwise, in my experience, productivity suffers as new team > members come up to speed with the new tools. > > Instead, we stick with HTML since everyone knows it and I use the Emmet > [1] sublime plugin [2] to make typing it much faster. We use LESS because > it is syntactically compatible with CSS and because twitter bootstrap uses > it. And we use plain JS, but still have some legacy coffeescript that we > tolerate. > > @peter -- Sounds like we are on the same page. I too prefer logic-less > templating, and have gone that route for the last year or so. > > I tried out a completely logic-less engine called Plates [3], but it was > far too buggy at the time. I haven't used transparency [4] yet, but it > appears very similar to plates. Unfortunately, I doubt I would use it since > it requires a DOM, which makes it less usable server-side. > > In the end, I chose to use Handlebars [5] since it is popular and well > supported, and I avoid using it in ways that add any sort of branching or > other logic into the template itself. It works well with Express, is easy > to integrate into Backbone, and is the default engine with Ember, so it > meets all my BE and FE needs. > > [1] http://docs.emmet.io/ > [2] https://github.com/sergeche/emmet-sublime > [3] https://github.com/flatiron/plates > [4] https://github.com/leonidas/transparency > [5] http://handlebarsjs.com/ > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Peter Rust <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Jade does seem to be the most popular on npm, with 235k downloads in the >> last month, but it's not a landslide (handlebars has 74k, EJS has 59k, and >> there are *four pages* of packages with the keyword "template"). >> >> >> Is everyone burnt out arguing over template engines? >>> >> I suspect so. Since your choice of template engine doesn't usually affect >> interoperability with other modules (unlike the single-callbacks vs >> promises debate), you can just pick what you like best. >> >> Personally, I dislike Jade for the same reason Martin likes it (Jade is >> to HTML what Coffeescript is to Javascript) and prefer logic-less >> micro-templating that strictly does interpolation and nesting of other >> templates. >> > > -- > -- > Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ > Posting guidelines: > https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "nodejs" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs?hl=en?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "nodejs" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- Job Board: http://jobs.nodejs.org/ Posting guidelines: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Mailing-List-Posting-Guidelines You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "nodejs" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs?hl=en?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "nodejs" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
