> It would be nice if the wonderful core guys would tell us that it's cool to
> use transpiled languages in our applications, as long as we keep it out of
> npm.
We are telling you it's fine to use transpiled languages as long as
you keep them out of Node. Transpile them to JavaScript. Run
JavaScript in Node.
Relying on require.extensions is explicitly not encouraged, nor
supported. It has known bugs *today*, which will not be fixed, ever.
It is very brittle and cannot be made any less brittle. It is a
global switch by which one module can introduce subtle bugs in another
module. It is tight coupling and unnecessary run-time complexity.
It's everything we try to *avoid* in Node.
Take it up with the CoffeeScript maintainers to stop relying on and
encouraging this dangerous, unsafe, unwise, deprecated practice. Even
long-time coffeescript users are teling you here to avoid using the
require hooks. The "build step" takes milliseconds, and can be set up
to run in the background automatically. There is absolutely zero
reason to insist on using techniques that are known to be problematic,
and even less to insist that we support them.
Of course, it's your computer, it's your application, you can do
whatever foolish thing you want. But if you're looking for my
blessing, then don't do foolish things. It would be irresponsible of
me to say this is OK when I know it isn't, since I see the fallout
from the bugs it causes.
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Brad Carleton <b...@techpines.com> wrote:
> As an author of a couple of coffeescript projects in node, I agree the code
> that goes into npm should NOT be coffeescript. That being said when you are
> developing an application, adding an explicit build step is not fun. I mean
> I wouldn't want to see all the assembly or binary files that my javascript
> code could be compiled into.
>
> I think other dialects of javascript are a great thing. There are a lot of
> developers from varying communities ruby, python, .NET, java, who may never
> come over to the node/javascript world unless these transpiled languages
> exist. I came from python, and being able to walk into coffeescript felt
> vary comfortable for me. Now, I contribute to the node community, but I
> don't write javscript. Yes, in an ideal purist world everyone writes
> javscript, but then there are less people in the community because people
> tend to be biased towards languages. Beyond that, some people are just more
> or less productive in some languages versus others.
>
> It would be nice if the wonderful core guys would tell us that it's cool to
> use transpiled languages in our applications, as long as we keep it out of
> npm. Furthermore, if they truly don't want to support "require.extensions",
> they should at least be supportive of userland setting up a hack to bring it
> back. I mean that would be dead simple. Replace the global require with a
> custom object that adds the require.extensions functionality back, and then
> package it up in an npm module, called "good-ole-require"!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 9:38:12 PM UTC-5, Isaac Schlueter wrote:
>>
>> My thoughts on the matter are articulated in the issue linked in the
>> OP. Also everything that Ben has written in this thread is 100%
>> correct.
>>
>> Furthermore:
>>
>> We only remove/break deprecated APIs if they're in the way. If it's
>> buried in a locked module, then that's highly unlikely. (Someone
>> would have to find an extremely severe bug that could only be fixed by
>> removing require.extensions.)
>>
>> However, we also aren't likely to *fix* any issues that you have with
>> that deprecated API. That's the issue that started this round of
>> require.extensions discussion. The only change that we'd make to it
>> is to remove it or add a deprecation warning, and we won't be doing
>> that, since there's no reason to.
>>
>> In the near future, the module rating system that we're building will
>> penalize any module that uses deprecated APIs. It will be ranked
>> lower in searches, have a smaller score next to its name, and perhaps
>> even print a warning when it is installed by npm.
>>
>> If you would like to ensure that your program is not doing anything
>> stupid, you can use the `node-strict` module, and add
>> `require('node-strict')` to your main file. It's still a work in
>> progress, but it prevents require.extensions and other poor choices.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Bruno Jouhier <bjou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Cool cause I need this to work forever:
>> > https://github.com/bjouhier/node-lol
>> >
>> > OTHERWIZ DAZ NO FUN!
>> >
>> > Sorry for my lolcat, it's a bit weak.
>> >
>> > Bruno
>> >
>> > On Sunday, May 12, 2013 1:56:23 AM UTC+2, Ben Noordhuis wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:05 AM, ~flow <wolfga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > what conventions / best practices / techniques can we come up that
>> >> > will
>> >> > allow us to 'publish in my language, run as javascript' the day that
>> >> > require.extensions is gone?
>> >>
>> >> What seems to be getting lost in this discussion is that
>> >> require.extensions is not actually going away, certainly not in the
>> >> near future and probably never.
>> >>
>> >> Deprecation in API-locked parts of node.js core means "you really
>> >> shouldn't use this", not "we'll remove it whenever the fancy strikes
>> >> us."
>> >
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