Which, zooming out a bit, is really a shame. Linux Audio has already
been stagnating and the last thing we needed was one self appointed
dictator systematically exterminating what diversity and vision remained.
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 2:34 PM J. Liles <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Fillipe, you keep saying this "we the community" stuff. Who
elected you as the spokesperson for the community? That's part of
your problem. You think you're the self appointed king/dictator of
Linux audio. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps it is *you* who
are difficult to deal with? There are many ways that *I* can think
of that any reasonable, technical goals of yours, mine and anyone
else's regarding NSM could be resolved. But please keep a little
perspective here. You were not smart enough to invent NSM, and yet
you think you're smart enough to improve when the person who was
smart enough to invent it disagrees with your "approach". I say
your approach, but all you and your gang ever really came to me
with were demands that I implement things I have no and see no use
for. If you had a little skill in communication and a little
humility and a less blatant desire to bring everything good and
valuable in Linux audio under your anime umbrella, then you could
have easily gotten anything reasonable that you wanted. Reasonable
being the key word here. You can't go around demanding people work
for free to implement your poorly thought out and unjustified whims.
You have publicly slandered me, you have called my software
malware, etc. so don't pretend to be so innocent.
You call my remarks "weird", and yet you're the one who names all
his programs after women (is that not "weird"?)
Again, you can say whatever lies you want, but the proof of the
pudding is in the eating. Until I see patches for NSM,
documentation patches documenting the GUI API and your (python or
whatever) GUI renamed to something else and made dependent on NSM
rather than attempting to supplant it, then I and everyone else
will know what the truth of the matter really is and just how
empty your words are.
Should I just accept every dumb idea and half-assed patch without
question? Is asking someone to explain themselves the action of a
tyrant? Come on. You're just trying to capitalize on the fact that
I don't show my boyish face on a github avatar or at LAC and can
therefore be painted as inhuman.
The most disgusting thing about the whole affair is that you
pretend to be friendly. I don't need friends like you, Fillipe.
I'd rather surround myself with vipers.
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:38 PM Filipe Coelho <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 2021-01-03 20:21, J. Liles wrote:
Actions speak louder than words, Fillipe.
Well yes, I am totally with you on that.
In acts of rage we do thinks that we later regret. 2020 has
been a lousy year for most people.
If you really had honor, skill, gratitude, and goodwill, then
you would contribute back to the project which you have
benefited from, rather than attempting to co-opt it in order
to win the empty accolades of Linux Audio Conference
attendees and pad your resume with the accomplishments of others.
I really do not appreciate the personal attacks, I thought we
were past this.
But since you mention it, I can see where you come from with
some of these, but feel it is totally misguided.
I have not put any non-personal projects on my own CV, you can
see it for yourself at https://falktx.com/#cv
And you can even see the commit history for the CV
https://github.com/falkTX/falktx-web/commits/master/cv
I did take over the JACK project a bit too early, while I was
still too deep with some life issues and between jobs, I feel
guilty of that.
It took way too long from taking JACK to actually make a
proper release, and then come true to the promises to revive
the win/mac situation.
I have purposefully reduced my working hours just to have some
time to dedicate per week to open-source projects. Now even at
only 3 days per week.
So forgive me if I feel a little bit personally attacked here.
I never called you names or said swear words to you.
You know very well that we tried to have co-operation with you
in the NSM project. But all we got was friction, sometimes
even verbal abuse.
Maybe that is just how you think it should be done, but most
of the community does not think the same way.
There was more than 1 developer that intentionally did not
implement NSM support because they saw how hard it was to get
anything done and pushed for in NSM.
I tried to remain neutral all this time, promoting NSM all I
could.
The KXStudio repositories had NSM stuff up to date as much as
possible, I implemented NSM in my own tools and promoted it as
well within developers.
As an example, in the Sonoj 2019 talk about JACK, I publicly
mention that we need to push for NSM
https://media.ccc.de/v/sonoj2019-1902-jack-past-present-future
The only reason you didn't change the name of NSM to a
pandering sexy feminine name is that you wanted to keep the
acronym intact to maximize the disruptive effect on me and my
community of users and thwart efforts to get NSM included in
Debian.
Ignoring the weird remarks about sexism.. it is obvious why
the NSM name was kept.
Because we, in the community, truly believe in NSM to be a
good spec and the way to go forward in regards to session
management.
We want to push it forward and see it used a lot more, there
were just too many issues when dealing with its maintainer, of
course you.
Make no mistake, one of the big reasons NON/NSM is not in
Debian/Ubuntu is because of your actions and how you behave(d).
I do not mean this as any kind of personal attack, just wish
you would be able to see this really.
It is because we, the community, really like NSM and believe
in it, that we went with a fork, as the last resort.
We really appreciate all the work you put on it, and for the
rest of the NON suite too.
But as a maintainer, you were jeopardizing the project with
your behaviour.
Nils has some relevant things he said not a long while ago,
see
https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=21772&p=121745#p121745
People can change though, so if you ever decide to give up
this campaign of deceit and disruption, then I'll happily
accept from you any useful and appropriate patches you care
to offer.
I would say the same, for the first part.
Some of the things are you saying are misguided, but
understandable that you feel hurt.
We hope you change to drop the personal attacks.
I am sorry the situation got to this point.
We love you, and your projects as well, specially NSM.
Really, please take care.
Wish you all the best.
Filipe Coelho
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 10:49 AM Filipe Coelho <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 2021-01-03 17:56, Richard wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 15:40:17 +0100
> Fredrik Vestermark <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just wanted to reach out with a big thank you to J.
Liles for your
>> hard work on developing Non and publishing it under an
open source
>> license. Thank you to everybody else involved too, of
course!
>>
>> As a community, we often forget that developing and
maintaining free
>> software costs a lot of time and nerves. If you too
feel like a
>> GitHub star is not enough appreciation for Non, please
consider a
>> donation via PayPal to show some ♥ and support Liles
great work:
>> https://non.tuxfamily.org/wiki/Donations
>>
>> Best regards and a happy new year,
>> Fredrik
> Thank you Frederik for reminding me about the
"Donations" page.
> Thank you too to Aaron Duerksen for making such a
complete bug report
> on that segfault when removing a control. It has
annoyed me for ages,
> most recently yesterday, but I couldn't have done as
good a job as you
> in tracking down the issue.
> And of course, thank you Jonathan for providing us with
such a capable
> suite of programs for exploring the worlds of sound
processing and
> making music. I'm an amateur at both, but boy, what fun
it is. I look
> forward to the exciting developments and possible
improvements which
> you may have time to share with us in the near future.
+1
We all appreciate your efforts, even if there are things
we disagree with.
Thank you. And happy new year to everyone by the way.
