I'm also intrigued by the notion that managers have little impact on league position. A couple of recent examples would be Redknapp at Spurs and Dalglish at Liverpool who both took over teams that were around the relegation places and with the same squad as their pre-decessors had them finish in the top 8 the same season (before they had chance to invest in, and change the playing staff).
________________________________ From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LEESE Matthew Sent: Monday, 19 December 2011 11:45 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew I'm intrigued by player form having been proven to not exist. I felt I've had some periods of form over the years (OK, once) and have seen what I assumed to be this in other players, both professional and ones I've played with. When a player has a particularly fruitful period that is above his normal recognised levels, what is this put down to? In my case it could probably be linked to drinking less beer in the main but there have been other times where I don't think I've done anything differently, but have felt I've hit a bit of 'form'. ________________________________ From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of paul Sent: Monday, 19 December 2011 11:38 AM To: Nsw Wolves Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew I would contend that you have no idea what your talking about! We have all played football at various levels and know how it should be played. Wolves are not playing or trying to play good football, end of. MM out! Sent via BlackBerry(r) from Telstra ________________________________ From: Steven Millward <millward....@gmail.com> Sender: nswolves@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 11:31:42 +1100 To: <nswolves@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew I have to confess I get frustrated by the apparent lack of logic that's applied to football support. There are many people on here have excellent analytical abilities and yet it gets unused in the face of what seems more like superstition and knee jerk emotion. Rog for example applies a great deal of analysis to backing horses. Marcus works in insurance, where actuaries are the backbone of the business and are some of the highest paid statisticians in any profession. I took it upon myself to analyse wages versus position last season and found a correlation stronger than I have ever found in 15 years of analysing business problems and relationships. I then found that someone more skilled than me had already done it, which is why I'm going to read his book. The example you give below seems to fall in the superstition camp. We all form qualitative assessments of managers and how good they are. I would contend that none of us know what we are talking about when it comes to assessing managers, and in any case they have little impact on league position. You also mention "form". Player form has been proven not to exist, in football and any other game. Another superstition based on humans being pattern seeking and never seeking to rigourously justify it. I guess this is how most superstitions start. On 19 December 2011 11:10, LEESE Matthew <matthew.le...@rms.nsw.gov.au<mailto:matthew.le...@rms.nsw.gov.au>> wrote: The conspiracy theorist in me thought my 'ban' was down to my movement away from the pro-Mick camp but then realised if that were the case the list would have 2 active posters. Gave it some more (reasoned) thought and worked out it was probably down to the fact our email addresses have just been changed at work and so I was likely not recognised by the server. Shame, I'd fired off a couple of super witty responses to comments last week that never got through. Mark Hughes eh? Interesting one. I had an interesting converstaion with Elliot on Saturday (really, I did!) about how I wouldn't mind Bolton's poor form continuing and getting Owen Coyle at Molineux. I had no answer to his very sound argument that it is pretty ridiculous to be saying 'Not happy with our current manager, would like to swap him for the one that's currently got his team bottom of the league'. Despite my extra sobriety now compared to Saturday, I still don't have an answer, but I do quite like him and particularly the style of football he gets his teams playing. -----Original Message----- From: nswolves@googlegroups.com<mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com> [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com<mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Paul Hart Sent: Monday, 19 December 2011 11:00 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com<mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com> Subject: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew Why were you bannned Matthew ? Did you dare to ask for the head of MM Has anybody else heard the rumour That Mark Hughes was at the Stoke game ??? Sent from my iPhone -- Boo! Thick Mick Out. Before printing, please consider the environment IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachment to it are intended only to be read or used by the named addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. 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