*>>I'm suggesting the system is broken. In current business environment it appears as the technical person is working for the project manager. *
Yes, it is broken, but not for the reason you mention here. It's broken because the CIO is not sufficiently empowering the PM, and undermining him/her in a crisis. *>>I'm saying it should be the other way around. The project manager should be working for the technical guy.* What would be the point in that? You're confusing a PM with a clerical assistant or technical writer. The PM is there to ensure that all the pieces needed for successful completion of a project are surfaced, that the project risks are adequately documented and mitigated (should be done before the project starts, but that rarely happens), and that the work is progressing as planned, given all the issues that are bound to arise. Most importantly, they keep all the project stakeholders apprised of the project status so that there are no unpleasant surprised just at the moment where people are expecting a completed, working project. It is not necessary for the PM to be the most technical person on the team (however "technical" is defined). In some cases, it's even better when they aren't, as they don't get trapped in technology religion, but in ensuring the best resolution to the business problem at hand. * * *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Tigran K <tigr...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree my sample size is not sufficient that's why I'm asking what does a > project manager do? > > Here's an example. Project is running late and the CIO comes in the room > and says get this thing done. He's not talking to the project manager > because no matter what the project manager does if he's not skilled in the > particular software he can't get it done. So really the guy getting the job > done is the skilled worker. The one that has the technical knowledge. > > I'm suggesting the system is broken. In current business environment it > appears as the technical person is working for the project manager. I'm > saying it should be the other way around. The project manager should be > working for the technical guy. > > --Tigran > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Andrew S. Baker <asbz...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> True, but my real point was that just because you may appear to be >> surrounded by lots of ineffective *<insert job specification here>*, it >> doesn't mean that your sample size was sufficient to judge the validity of >> the entire discipline. >> >> To be honest, I've even managed to meet a few good lawyers. >> >> (For the record, I'm aware of more lousy or ineffective IT professionals >> than stellar ones...) >> >> >> * * >> >> *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of >> Technology for the SMB market… >> >> * >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:32 PM, John Cook <john.c...@pfsf.org> wrote: >> >>> Isn’t that kind of like saying “you need smarter users”? If only I >>> could pick and choose……..**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *John W. Cook***** >>> >>> *System Administrator***** >>> >>> *Partnership For Strong Families* >>> >>> *5950 NW 1st Place* >>> >>> *Gainesville, Fl 32607* >>> >>> *Office (352) 244-1610***** >>> >>> *Cell (352) 215-6944***** >>> >>> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4***** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2011 4:18 PM >>> >>> >>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >>> *Subject:* Re: PMI PMP Certification**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> You need to be working with better project and program managers. >>> **** >>> >>> *ASB***** >>> >>> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker***** >>> >>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…***** >>> >>> >>> >>> **** >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Tigran K <tigr...@gmail.com> wrote:**** >>> >>> The only thing I see project managers do is schedule meetings, take notes >>> that nobody will see and get in the way of good technical discussions.** >>> ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Can somebody tell me why they need a cert program to use outlook? >>> >>> --Tigran**** >>> >>> >>> On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Jacob <ja...@excaliburfilms.com> wrote:**** >>> >>> Know the input and outputs for each process and the 30ish formulas. The >>> exam is not easy.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> If you have not applied for the test, you better get on it. If you are >>> lucky to get audited, I do not think you will be able to get it in by the 31 >>> st. You also have to document 4500 hours of project management >>> experience.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> http://www.rmcproject.com/about/pmp-examination-changes.aspx**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Also, get Rita’s study guides. Worth it. >>> http://www.rmcproject.com/index.aspx**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Jacob**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] >>> *Sent:* Monday, August 01, 2011 11:14 AM >>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >>> *Subject:* OT: PMI PMP Certification**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> I was wondering if there were any certified PMPs out there that could >>> give me pointers on the exam.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> I had planned on taking it in around two months, but I just caught wind >>> of the fact PMI is changing it on August 31. So now I’m cramming to see if I >>> can get it done before the change.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> I took two project management courses in grad school pretty recently, and >>> am currently reading a couple of PMP study guides.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> John Hornbuckle**** >>> >>> MIS Department**** >>> >>> Taylor County School District**** >>> >>> www.taylor.k12.fl.us**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
