I wear a kilt, so I'm pretty much exempt from your amendments - especially the first one...
Heh. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:57, Sam Cayze <sca...@gmail.com> wrote: > Or at my company: If it passes electrons, requires a ladder, or involves > getting dirty, it's yours. > > I used to be in carpentry so I'm OK with it though. I like the surprise > tasks :) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 1:52 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Infrastructure Specialist defined - was: OT - ugh! > > Simpler: > > "If it passes electrons, it's yours." > > As opposed to IT Generalist: > > "If it passes electrons or whines when frustrated, it's yours." > > Kurt > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:49, Don Kuhlman <drkuhl...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Long but here's a snip of the description... >> >> Job Summary >> The primary role of the temporary Production Infrastructure Specialist >> is the support of production infrastructure systems across multiple >> operating units within the business. This includes client-facing >> application servers, local fileservers/storage, and management of the >> local data centers. In addition to daily support of systems this role >> will undertake two long-term >> projects: 1. Coordinate migration of production servers from local >> Active-Directory to company Corporate Active Directory 2. Organize >> data archives and research/implement a modern, replacement archiving system. >> Job Responsibilities >> • Address daily support tickets regarding end-user permissions and >> file archiving and restores from nearline archive and >> disaster-recovery backup systems • Re-architect the file archive >> systems to make them more efficient, functional, easier to manage, and >> organized, replacing the current system if necessary • Coordinate the >> migration from a local Active Directory into the company global Active >> directory for all employee-facing systems • Assist senior >> Infrastructure Administrator with client facing and production >> infrastructure systems and services, ensuring both operating at an >> optimal level, with high availability and recoverability. >> • Works independently toward goals and objectives seeks additional >> review on unusual assignments. >> • Solves complex problems and conducts analysis of the costs and >> benefits of modifying procedures increase effectiveness of a department. >> • Develops cross-work group partnerships and initiates new and >> productive internal and external alliances. >> • Extensive technical expertise and knowledge of other related >> business disciplines/processes. >> >> Qualifications / Requirements >> ServerSupport: >> · Due to extensive use of Red Hat Enterprise Linux on production >> servers, a strong background in Linux server administration is required. >> · General Server Support: Level 1 & 2 Windows, Unix/Linux, Mac OS X >> Server Support (Rack Servers, IBM, Dell, Apple, Cisco, Configure >> Shares & Security) · Level 1 & 2 VMWare Support (vSphere 5 Enterprise, >> vCenter Server 5) experience preferred SAN Support: >> · Strong familiarity with enterprise data archiving systems and >> disaster recovery backup systems. uses Flashnet for data archive and >> Commvault for Disaster Recovery backups · Level 1 & 2 SAN Storage >> Support (EMC CX300, EMC AX100, IBM N3400 · Level 1 & 2 Fibre Channel >> Switch Support (Cisco MDS 9134, McData ) Directory Service Support: >> · Level 1 & 2 Active Directory Support · Create Accounts and Set >> Permissions >> >> Personal Performance Factors >> · Integrity/Ethics - deals with others in a straightforward and >> honest manner, is accountable for actions, maintains confidentiality, >> supports company values, and conveys good news and bad. >> · Perseverance - targets and achieves results, sets challenging >> goals, prioritizes tasks, overcomes obstacles, accepts accountability, >> sets team standards and responsibilities, provides leadership/motivation. >> · Adaptability/Flexibility - Adapts to change, is open to new ideas, >> takes on new responsibilities, handles pressure, and adjusts plans to >> meet changing needs. >> · Teamwork - Meets all team deadlines and responsibilities, listens >> to others and values opinions, helps team leader to meet goals, >> welcomes newcomers and promotes a team atmosphere. >> · Initiative - Tackles problems and takes independent action, seeks >> out new responsibilities, acts on opportunities, generates new ideas, >> practices self-development. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: David Lum <david....@nwea.org> >> To: NT System Admin Issues <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 11:51 AM >> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! >> >> Define infrastructure specialist.. >> >> From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:47 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: OT - ugh! >> >> Very well put on both. >> >> So, not to hijack the thread, but speaking of wages, does 40 - 43 per >> hour sound reasonable in the Midwest for a 2nd level infrastructure >> specialist ? >> Assuming if you're placed through a staffing firm, they are charging >> double that and paying the person half the client rate. >> >> As Paul said, it seems like there are wage adjustments in effect from >> what was paid in the past. >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "Maglinger, Paul" <pmaglin...@scvl.com> >> To: NT System Admin Issues <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 9:29 AM >> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! >> >> One other thing that I think we may see is adjustments in wages. >> Starting positions may not offer the same wages as they did in the >> past in an attempt for companies to lower costs. I also see what I >> perceive as attempts by OEMs to woo companies to outsource more and >> more services to them (such as >> HP) rather than encourage companies to have well-trained engineers. >> Of course if you pay peanuts you're still going to get monkeys, unless >> someone can't afford to eat anything else. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Lum [mailto:david....@nwea.org] >> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 7:59 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! >> >> That was well put, Ken. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] >> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:39 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! >> >> I think our opinions are coloured by our industry and in particular >> working in (small scale) systems administrator, which is more of a >> trade than a profession. >> >> For many other professions: civil engineering, medicine, accounting - >> there is no way you'd get anywhere in most countries without a degree. >> There is simply too much established theory in those fields that you >> just have to know in order to be useful. Systems engineering might be >> a bit different because basic theory and principles are not as well >> established. Software and electrical engineering are perhaps more >> established, and there are many algorithms, principles and >> methodologies (like lifecycle management, project >> management) etc that a structured course such as a degree can help you with. >> >> That said, systems engineering will change to. Organisations (starting >> with the biggest, but I suspect it'll eventually make its way down to >> the smaller >> ones) are looking for structured, repeatable, predictable delivery. >> They outsource. They get x service for $y within z minutes/hours/days. >> And the companies that provide it (HP/EDS, CSC, IBM, Satyam, Wipro, >> etc.) all have regulated processes, backed by technologies (invariably >> built upon ITIL at the moment). If you want to get ahead in this type >> of world, there'll have to be some theory that you need to learn, >> because deep technical skills are for >> architecture/design/implementation, and not operations (except for >> those in high severity incident management). Operations is about >> following processes, managing expectations, and executing structured/tested >> change requests. >> >> Cheers >> Ken >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com] >> Sent: Friday, 3 February 2012 3:57 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! >> >> Indeed. >> >> Certs and degrees are used by people who aren't technical and don't >> know what to ask let alone evaluate. >> >> I have seen talent from prestigious schools and I have seen lunkheads >> from prestigious schools. >> >> The universities were setting rather high expectations however. A >> friend used to handle the college new hires and he said he had to talk >> a few off the ledge because they weren't VPs inside of 6 months. >> >> Thanks, >> Mathew >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:31 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: OT - ugh! >> >> In my personal experience, I haven't seen any correlation between >> any degree/certification and actual aptitude/knowledge/value. They're >> certainly not less likely, but don't appear to be significantly more, either. >> >> I have, however, seen correlation between degree/certification and >> hiring/pay. >> >> I suspect this is mainly because it's easier to quantify. "Does he >> have a degree?" is an easier question to answer than "How good is he?" >> >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Brown >> <jbr...@webcoindustries.com> >> wrote: >>> Those are some seriously sour grapes you are sucking on. I had a >>> boss who said it this way, "the degree proves he/she can finish something". >>> There are no guarantees that anyone is a good or outstanding >>> employee, at least there are SEVERAL examples shared here to point >>> out that degrees or certs don't guarantee competence. Anyone who's >>> done IT for more than a few years can provide additional examples, >>> probably good AND bad. (with or without degrees or certs). >>> >>> >>> >>> Your posts suggest that you think a degreed person is LESS likely to >>> have competence.. sorry, that just sounds like sour grapes to me. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:49 AM >>> >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh! >>> >>> >>> >>> That isn't my observation. >>> >>> On Thursday, February 2, 2012, Maglinger, Paul <pmaglin...@scvl.com> >>> wrote: >>>> A college degree (usually) indicates that someone has obtained >>>> certain literary, communication, and fact-finding skills that are >>>> useful in the workplace. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:02 AM >>> >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Going to college opens doors. And it almost doesn't even matter >>>> what the degree is in. I think it's like a secret handshake. It >>>> says "I can navigate a byzantine bureaucracy and complete a series >>>> of tasks without close supervision." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I might be wrong, but I think it's always there in the subconscious. >>>> I had doors open for me that were previously shut by completing a >>>> degree (my degree is not in IT, but in accountancy). >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM, David Lum <david....@nwea.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> "This position requires a degree. Sorry. Click." >>>> >>>> Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only >>>> guess the person making that statement doesn't fully understand the >>>> tech industry? >>>> Or, maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that >>>> thinking. >>>> >>>> It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying >>>> "we changed our minds on our needs" or "we hired from inside". I've >>>> heard of that kind of thing before - where what the person not >>>> getting hired wasn't told what was really happening. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] >>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> >>>> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! >>>> >>>> Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect >>>> position for a very large company in Nashville. IIRC, it was like >>>> interview #6 or 7 in the process. I had been talking with the >>>> executive for over 45 minutes when "all of a sudden" he says "Oh, >>>> I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college degree. This position >>>> requires a degree. Sorry. Click." >>>> >>>> I then took MBS' advice and went solo. I say screw FTE! :) >>>> >>>> >>>> Carl Webster >>>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional >>>> http://www.CarlWebster.com >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net] >>>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM >>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh! >>>>> >>>>> Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very >>>>> strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact >>>>> that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've >>>>> NEVER ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing >>>>> the offer, period, much less before total background check. I >>>>> believe that I can fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff >>>>> that has a varied background which would include more than one job >>>>> over a decade. I think you are fortunate that you didn't take the >>>>> job because it sounds to me that the organization isn't of the >>>>> highest quality, if you catch my drift. Sometimes things happen for >>>>> the best in spite of your best efforts. They didn't vet you, but >>>>> how well did you vet them! It's also obvious that they don't >>>>> recognize talent when they see it! >>>>> >>>>> Murray >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: James Hill >>>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:09 PM >>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> >>>>> Subject: RE: OT - ugh! >>>>> >>>>> I feel for you. >>>>> >>>>> But try and look at this way. If they can't see the value you can >>>>> offer now then it would only be a continual uphill fight if you >>>>> were employed by them. >>>>> >>>>> You are better off with an employer that shares your values. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com] >>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 9:52 AM >>>> >>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh! >>>>> >>>>> "Because we feel you are not diversified enough to address our issues." >>>>> >>>>> Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, >>>>> no project management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff >>>>> treating the network like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I >>>>> stop the bleeding and stabilize the patient (gave then how I would >>>>> do it), I can implement a more proactive approach to IT management >>>>> and stop the fires (also gave >>>>> details.) >>>>> >>>>> I guess they rather have the fires... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman <drkuhl...@yahoo.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > That makes no sense - why do they care where yo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ >>>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ >>>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ >>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >>> --- >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >>> >>> This email and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential >>> and intended solely for the use of the addressee. 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