So EMC creates an artificial limitation in order to expand/enhance their revenue stream by seeming to seem more cost competitive with other vendors. Then they are vague about the limitation. That's a great approach for an entry level product. I can see their slogan "EMC...be sure to check the fine print!."
I'm sure Kurt will be thinking all kinds of good thoughts about EMC on the next SAN project. ---------------------- Bob Hartung Dir of I.T. Wisco Industries, Inc. 736 Janesville St. Oregon, WI 53575 Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215 Fax: (608) 835-7399 e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com _____ From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:36:14 -0600 Subject: Re: EMC limitations? No offense taken, and none meant on my part either - just some disagreement spiced a bit too heavily with the frustration. I do understand that caveat emptor applies, and that it would have been better if we'd done more research, but that bit of misdirection on their part was just a bit rich... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:30, Sean Martin <seanmarti...@gmail.com> wrote: > I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being > frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of > functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not necessarily an > issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a better > job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to pitch a > higher-end solution (if justified). > > I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the template to > those that expressed interest individually. > > - Sean > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin <seanmarti...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs >> > to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of >> > technical >> > requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put >> > on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a >> > uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their >> > platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that >> > allows us to >> > weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement >> > might be >> > that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 >> > requirement >> > might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger >> > cache. >> >> This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, >> and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser >> hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given >> to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have >> the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this >> limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between >> EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used >> them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep >> he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the >> matter - I suggested another LH unit. >> >> > It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we >> > used for our last storage purchase. >> >> That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow >> the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us >> doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other >> that raised my dander. >> >> > - Sean >> > >> > On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before >> >> purchase, methinks... >> >> >> >> Kurt >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin <seanmarti...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 >> >>> protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a >> >>> limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is >> >>> marketing it as an entry level "all-in-one" storage solution. They >> >>> need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive >> >>> platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported >> >>> SCSI 3. >> >>> >> >>> - Sean >> >>> >> >>> On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember <mathew.shem...@synopsys.com> wrote: >> >>>> I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. >> >>>> >> >>>> I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to >> >>>> that. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks, >> >>>> Mathew >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM >> >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >> >>>> Subject: EMC limitations? >> >>>> >> >>>> I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a >> >>>> troubling >> >>>> limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs >> >>>> larger than >> >>>> 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, >> >>>> it's doe >> >> >>>> to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. >> >>>> >> >>>> I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's >> >>>> disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. >> >>>> And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. >> >>>> >> >>>> Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? >> >>>> >> >>>> Kurt >> >>>> >> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ >> >>>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >>>> >> >>>> --- >> >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >> >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >>>> >> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >>>> >> >>>> --- >> >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >> >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >>> >> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >>> >> >>> --- >> >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >> >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >> >> --- >> >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >> > >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> > >> > --- >> > To manage subscriptions click here: >> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> > >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
