Yes, as I'd like a copy as well. :-) On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Kevin Lundy <klu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's beginning to look like DropBox or Google Docs might be in order for > the template :) > > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Jonathan <ncm...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Me four please! I'd love to see that template. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jonathan >> On Feb 8, 2012 2:00 AM, "Sean Martin" <seanmarti...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Understood. Out of curiousity, did you look into any other solutions >>> other than VNX and LeftHand? >>> >>> And, to respond to your comment about never outgrowing the unit, expect >>> the unexpected. >>> >>> I never thought we would outgrow the capabilities of the two CX700s >>> arrays we implemented in our first SAN solution. Six years later I'm >>> retiring both of those, two Celerra NAS gateways and a CX4-960. All the >>> while deploying six new Compellent arrays, 3 EqualLogics with FS7500 NAS >>> Heads and working on a recommendation for a purpose built Tier 1 solution. >>> >>> - Sean >>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> No offense taken, and none meant on my part either - just some >>>> disagreement spiced a bit too heavily with the frustration. I do >>>> understand that caveat emptor applies, and that it would have been >>>> better if we'd done more research, but that bit of misdirection on >>>> their part was just a bit rich... >>>> >>>> Kurt >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:30, Sean Martin <seanmarti...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being >>>> > frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack >>>> of >>>> > functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not >>>> necessarily an >>>> > issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a >>>> better >>>> > job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to >>>> pitch a >>>> > higher-end solution (if justified). >>>> > >>>> > I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the >>>> template to >>>> > those that expressed interest individually. >>>> > >>>> > - Sean >>>> > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin <seanmarti...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> > Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer >>>> needs >>>> >> > to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the >>>> creation of >>>> >> > technical >>>> >> > requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps >>>> you put >>>> >> > on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the >>>> vendor a >>>> >> > uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of >>>> their >>>> >> > platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that >>>> >> > allows us to >>>> >> > weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement >>>> >> > might be >>>> >> > that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or >>>> 3 >>>> >> > requirement >>>> >> > might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage >>>> larger >>>> >> > cache. >>>> >> >>>> >> This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, >>>> >> and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser >>>> >> hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given >>>> >> to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have >>>> >> the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this >>>> >> limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion >>>> between >>>> >> EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used >>>> >> them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep >>>> >> he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the >>>> >> matter - I suggested another LH unit. >>>> >> >>>> >> > It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the >>>> template we >>>> >> > used for our last storage purchase. >>>> >> >>>> >> That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically >>>> outgrow >>>> >> the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us >>>> >> doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other >>>> >> that raised my dander. >>>> >> >>>> >> > - Sean >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before >>>> >> >> purchase, methinks... >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Kurt >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin <seanmarti...@gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>> I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support >>>> SCSI 3 >>>> >> >>> protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this >>>> was a >>>> >> >>> limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because >>>> EMC is >>>> >> >>> marketing it as an entry level "all-in-one" storage solution. >>>> They >>>> >> >>> need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive >>>> >> >>> platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models >>>> supported >>>> >> >>> SCSI 3. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> - Sean >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember <mathew.shem...@synopsys.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is >>>> limited to >>>> >> >>>> that. >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >> >>>> Mathew >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >> >>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >>>> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM >>>> >> >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>> >> >>>> Subject: EMC limitations? >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a >>>> >> >>>> troubling >>>> >> >>>> limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs >>>> >> >>>> larger than >>>> >> >>>> 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community >>>> forum, >>>> >> >>>> it's doe >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but >>>> that's >>>> >> >>>> disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no >>>> problem. >>>> >> >>>> And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this >>>> limitation? >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> Kurt >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource >>>> hog! ~ ~ >>>> >> >>>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> --- >>>> >> >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> >> >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> >> >>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>> >> >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource >>>> hog! ~ >>>> >> >>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> >>>> ~ >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> --- >>>> >> >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> >> >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> >> >>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>> >> >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! >>>> ~ >>>> >> >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> --- >>>> >> >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> >> >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> >> >>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>> >> >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>> >> >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> --- >>>> >> >> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> >> >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> >> >> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>> >> >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>> >> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>> >> > >>>> >> > --- >>>> >> > To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> >> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> >> > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>> >> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>> >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>> >> >>>> >> --- >>>> >> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> >> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>> >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>> > >>>> > --- >>>> > To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>> >>>> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >>> --- >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
