Now I'm beginning to worry what the expectations are. The "template" is just an excel spreadsheet with a list of features and capabilities with fields for indicating whether or not the feature is currently supported or in their roadmap and a field for further explanation.
Rather than trying to distribute a document to everyone, I'll just post the complete list of features to the list when I get into the office this morning. It'll give folks an opportunity to add anything not listed and then everyone will have a detailed matrix to work from and will be forced to prioritize the features for their own needs. The 2-3 folks that have already received the template are free to copy the list as I'm still about an hour from arriving at the office. - Sean On Feb 8, 2012, at 4:14 AM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, as I'd like a copy as well. :-) > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Kevin Lundy <klu...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's beginning to look like DropBox or Google Docs might be in order for the > template :) > > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Jonathan <ncm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Me four please! I'd love to see that template. > > Thanks! > > Jonathan > > On Feb 8, 2012 2:00 AM, "Sean Martin" <seanmarti...@gmail.com> wrote: > Understood. Out of curiousity, did you look into any other solutions other > than VNX and LeftHand? > > And, to respond to your comment about never outgrowing the unit, expect the > unexpected. > > I never thought we would outgrow the capabilities of the two CX700s arrays we > implemented in our first SAN solution. Six years later I'm retiring both of > those, two Celerra NAS gateways and a CX4-960. All the while deploying six > new Compellent arrays, 3 EqualLogics with FS7500 NAS Heads and working on a > recommendation for a purpose built Tier 1 solution. > > - Sean > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > No offense taken, and none meant on my part either - just some > disagreement spiced a bit too heavily with the frustration. I do > understand that caveat emptor applies, and that it would have been > better if we'd done more research, but that bit of misdirection on > their part was just a bit rich... > > Kurt > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:30, Sean Martin <seanmarti...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being > > frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of > > functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not necessarily an > > issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a better > > job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to pitch a > > higher-end solution (if justified). > > > > I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the template to > > those that expressed interest individually. > > > > - Sean > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin <seanmarti...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs > >> > to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of > >> > technical > >> > requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put > >> > on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a > >> > uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their > >> > platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that > >> > allows us to > >> > weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement > >> > might be > >> > that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 > >> > requirement > >> > might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger > >> > cache. > >> > >> This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, > >> and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser > >> hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given > >> to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have > >> the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this > >> limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between > >> EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used > >> them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep > >> he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the > >> matter - I suggested another LH unit. > >> > >> > It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we > >> > used for our last storage purchase. > >> > >> That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow > >> the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us > >> doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other > >> that raised my dander. > >> > >> > - Sean > >> > > >> > On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before > >> >> purchase, methinks... > >> >> > >> >> Kurt > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin <seanmarti...@gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 > >> >>> protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a > >> >>> limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is > >> >>> marketing it as an entry level "all-in-one" storage solution. They > >> >>> need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive > >> >>> platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported > >> >>> SCSI 3. > >> >>> > >> >>> - Sean > >> >>> > >> >>> On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember <mathew.shem...@synopsys.com> wrote: > >> >>>> I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to > >> >>>> that. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Thanks, > >> >>>> Mathew > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -----Original Message----- > >> >>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] > >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM > >> >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> >>>> Subject: EMC limitations? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a > >> >>>> troubling > >> >>>> limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs > >> >>>> larger than > >> >>>> 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, > >> >>>> it's doe > >> > >> >>>> to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's > >> >>>> disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. > >> >>>> And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Kurt > >> >>>> > >> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > >> >>>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > >> >>>> > >> >>>> --- > >> >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: > >> >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > >> >>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > >> >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > >> >>>> > >> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > >> >>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > >> >>>> > >> >>>> --- > >> >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: > >> >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > >> >>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > >> >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > >> >>> > >> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > >> >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > >> >>> > >> >>> --- > >> >>> To manage subscriptions click here: > >> >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > >> >>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > >> >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > >> >> > >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > >> >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > >> >> > >> >> --- > >> >> To manage subscriptions click here: > >> >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > >> >> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > >> >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > >> >> > >> > > >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > >> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > >> > > >> > --- > >> > To manage subscriptions click here: > >> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > >> > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > >> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > >> > > >> > >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > >> > >> --- > >> To manage subscriptions click here: > >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > >> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > >> > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > --- > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
